OBCDR vs WABDR. !!.

Discussion in 'Pacific Northwet - Where it's green. And wet.' started by NortwestRider, Aug 8, 2014.

  1. NortwestRider

    NortwestRider TRIPOD ADVENTURER !!

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    For those of you that ridden both how do they compare ??.
    I did the WABDR a few weeks ago on my NC700x,it sucked on that bike mostly because of the shitty stock suspension.The suspension issue is taken care of so I'm thinking about the OBCDR next summer.
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  2. grinns

    grinns Semper Fi

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    I like parts of the wabdr. I liked almost all the obdr that I have done so far.

    I think the next stupid thing I am doing is the TAT, that route from Mexico to Canada, or the Idaho thing.

    This year I am riding with buddies in Colorado, should be pretty fun.

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  3. Sethro303

    Sethro303 Master of Disaster

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    IMHO, Oregon is much more diverse in terrain, scenery and difficulty. The southernmost 20 miles of section 5 would be quite the challenge on a big bike
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  4. NortwestRider

    NortwestRider TRIPOD ADVENTURER !!

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    I have a 350 dual sport but for highway use the 700 is much better.I might truck the 350 down and do the ride.
    Also is the OBCDR set up like the WABDR with hotels / motels at the end of each day. ??.
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  5. Motomantra

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    The more I look at your Honda on its side with proper tires, the more I realize that's no place for my Wee

    Thanks for the reminder.
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    Sethro303 Master of Disaster

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    You can find motel rooms along route 5, but the small towns have limited rooms, so planning ahead will pay off. We seriously lucked out in one place, finding the only available room 15 minutes before they closed for the night.
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  7. NortwestRider

    NortwestRider TRIPOD ADVENTURER !!

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    If I ride the 700 I would camp like we did on the WABDR. But if I ride the. 350 I would go " light and fast " and stay in hotels.
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    Sethro303 Master of Disaster

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    It can be done, and some spots would be much more enjoyable in a small bike......
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  9. Rob.G

    Rob.G Mostly Harmless

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    I've done OBDR Route 4 and the northern half of Route 3, both on my DR650. Both could be done on a V-Strom or similar bike with decent tires. The first half of Route 3 (from the north) starts out kinda soft (sandy/loose dirt) but once you get past that, it's not bad.

    I was going to do the northern part of Route 5 next weekend, but with all the fires, I'm not going to bother. Even if it hasn't closed any parts of the trail, I don't want to be sucking in smoke.

    Rob
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  10. dionbilt

    dionbilt energetic beginner

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    WABDR is a 4 day trip, OBCDR is a 6 or 7 day trip. Washington was about 700 miles and the Oregon was stretched out to 1100. Both have great scenery and cool things to see. But the Oregon trip was better than the Washington trip for me. I think on most adventure rides a mix of camping and hotel stays is the best. We hoteled it on the Washington ride and did both on the Oregon. Washington had a lot of traffic through most of the ride, Oregon had very little. In fact a lot of the time we didnt see anybody else on the trails. One thing I noticed was I live in Washington so I knew where we were at through most of the ride. In the Oregon trip it felt like more of an adventure. I wasn't familiar with any of the areas. Like Sethro said the only dificult section was the first 20-30 miles that would be tough for big bikes. One last thing, that was bad ass, is the river crossings on the OBCDR. You dont get that on the WABDR.
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  11. tomasv

    tomasv Check the Czech!

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    For me WABCDR was more rocky while OBCDR was much more sandy. Also it was much more difficult to find the correct route - many Y sections with no markings to the point where I had to "guess" based on GPS and map the direction and went on what looked like horse trails only to find that I was going the right direction but the official OBCDR was 500 yards to the left or right.
    And getting back wasn't easy at all. (happened 2 times.)
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  12. NortwestRider

    NortwestRider TRIPOD ADVENTURER !!

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    Thanks guys,this is exactly the kind of info I'm looking for.
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  13. doggitter

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    This meaning the WBDR or OBDR?
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  14. tomasv

    tomasv Check the Czech!

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    OBDR.

    I have got the "problematic" spots marked on GPS if I can find that file...

    Route 4 just before the connection to Route 5 section 3 And route 3 just before getting to Sisters http://www.oohva.org/
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  15. dionbilt

    dionbilt energetic beginner

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    We didnt have too may problems with the tracks. I started out with tracks from an inmate on here. I did spend some time on base camp looking it all over and overlaying it in google earth. Just to make sure the tracks were close. I did have to move a few lines around and clean it up some. We did back track on day 2 due to blow down. GPSMAP 62s are not the easiest to use in finding alternate routes but we managed.
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  16. D-Stylz

    D-Stylz Been here awhile

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    The WABDR is easier than Route 5 of the OBCDR, IMHO. They both have their plusses. :lol3

    I have ridden OBCDR Routes 3, 4, & 5 on a KLR650 while my buddy Dansrc51 was on an F800GS. Other than having to pick up our bikes a couple times, it's do-able. They are all fun! There are plenty of places to camp, stay, and dine on all of the OBCDR routes. Make sure you have your Oregon OHV permit just in case. :deal

    We're headed to for the COBDR on Friday so it will be interesting to compare that route too! :ricky
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  17. LittleWan

    LittleWan You can do it!

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    BigWan and I did the WABDR and Route 5 OBDR back to back (North to South) and we thought the WABDR was much easier, too.
    (we had already done Route 5 before, south to north).
    Not only was the riding pretty tame, but the WABDR had a lot of traffic. Lots of blind corners, too.
    Had to keep the speeds down and we still almost had a head-on in "the Jungle."


    It was a relief to get to the OBDR and pick up the pace.
    Didn't really see anyone on the trail from Walla Walla to CA. Just some campers at the Malheur Ford crossing.

    I don't remember too many motels on either route...we mostly camp.
    The Desert Inn motel in Christmas Valley (OR) is good and cheap. $36 or so.
    It's a good place to leave your bags if you want to go play in the dunes.



    By the way, if anyone is looking to add some excitement to the OBDR, go check out Crane Mountain at the OR/CA border.
    It's outside of Lakeview, OR.
    The first time we did the OBDR, we thought Crane Mountain was part of the tracks (looked like it on our GPS).
    It's pretty remote, but if you have a buddy and a SPOT, it's a nice addition to the regular tracks.

    here's a linky about Crane Mtn
    (hey, that's our video!
    :lol3 we were going slow because matt was trying not to dab at all. 2up with luggage)



    gets kinda rocky in some sections...

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    in addition to the rocks, you also go through a couple of meadows

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    and it ends with a nice trail through the trees.
    maybe too boring on a little bike, but we liked it.

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    Just watch out for snow if you go before August. It sucks in the snow. :puke1

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  18. Rob.G

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    I agree on lack of markings on OBDR. The organization that "manages" it (if you can call it that), OOHVA, apparently just sits back and collects money from people who choose to buy their (IMO stupid) roll charts rather than just use GPS tracks. I know the actual Back Country Discovery Route group has been trying to get control of it for years but OOHVA doesn't want to let go of it. At least that's how it was explained to me about a year ago by somebody who seemed to know the story.

    When I did Route 4, there was a section that I couldn't find at all. The GPS track insisted there was a trail where non existed. I ended up finding a bypass, which was a bit of a rutted uphill ... not real steep, but the ruts were kind of annoying.

    I'm eager to go do parts of Route 5, but with all the fires right now, it doesn't seem like there's much point. I think most of Route 4 is closed and so is part of Route 5 on the northern end.

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  19. Sethro303

    Sethro303 Master of Disaster

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    I remember the WABDR being way more difficult to navigate as compared to the ORBDR. WABDR had a lot of Y's and steep terrain that made GPS routing challenging at times.
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  20. Countdown

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    Don't understand the problem with someone selling roll charts even though free GPS tracks are available? Roll Charts usually have much more information about the route. Just like with TAT.

    Whos tracks were you using? All my OBDR Tracks are active logs from people who actually rode it,
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