Off-road comparision between 1190R, GS1200 Adv, AT and Super Tenere

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by duartesss, May 28, 2017.

  1. duartesss

    duartesss Adventurer

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    The guys from a Spanish magazine did an off-road comparison between S10, AT, GS1200 Adv and KTM 1190 R.

    They equipped all the bikes with knobby tyres and each brand (Honda, Yamaha, etc) send a rider sponsored by each one (all Dakar ones that already participated in several editions).

    In end they decided the best bike for off-road was the Super Tenere.

    Here the article:
    http://motos.coches.net/noticias/bm...z-super-tenere-comparativo-trail-offroad-2016

    Here the video:
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  2. plumer1kt

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    the article link is wrong.shows other bikes test
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  4. plumer1kt

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    1190 is too large for off road and AT seat does not let the body move back
    that's the cons for those two bikes,enough to make S10 better off road :rofl
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    RED CAT Bumpy Backroader

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    No skid plate on the S10 as usual.
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    Maggot12 U'mmmm yeaah!!

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  7. duartesss

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    They do a detailed analysis of each one.

    Quickly draft translation of the general conclusion :

    In the end of the day of testing and contrasting the sensations, the four of us clearly match in almost every aspect of each machine.

    By assessing the effectiveness and ease of operation on Off Road, I emphasize, exclusively on Off Road, we could order their characteristics as follows:

    The Yamaha is, without a doubt, the easiest one . It is the one that has allowed us to go faster and more comfortable in a controlled way at all times. Possibly, for long journeys by motorway, is not as comfortable as the BMW, but undoubtedly is the most endurer. We bee very surprised by the contrast between their real weight and the feeling of lightness and mastery that transmite.

    In second place we would place the Honda. It is the least powerful but we have found it very versatile. By ground it allows to go equal or faster than the Yamaha, although it demands something more of pilotaje, in part, because the size of the set is greater. What we lose in Off Road domain respect to the Yamaha we gain in comfort of travel.

    Thirdly we would leave the KTM, a very balanced bike that allows a "serious" and complete use on Off Road. But we notice it a little big. At least more than the two Japanese. Perhaps it would be the most versatile.

    In last place would be the BMW. We have no doubt that it is an incredible bike to travel, but in Off Road, its limitations make the driving complicated. In general terms and thinking about the usual use that is given to these types of motorcycles, we can say that what is gained in travel comfort is practically proportional to what is lost in ease and effectiveness of driving on land.
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  8. DirtyRoadie

    DirtyRoadie Been here awhile

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    Those Spanish reviewers must not read the A/T, KTM or BMW forum threads or they would know that an S10 can not be ridden off road. :evil
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  9. markbxr400

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    The only time mine is "meh" is when I have the panniers on and going through soft sand. Or maybe it's more like "eek!". Other than that, it keeps a pretty big smile on my face.
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    Stirring that hornets nest again? After it's been settled for the umpteenth time already?

    Here on ADV, the Super Tenere has thoroughly been designated the inferior package for such escapades. It's a consensus.

    Besides, it's kind of cheating if the "tester" are talented riders, don't ya think?

    (I couldn't resist, sorry. Yaw know I actually would\could\can defend every one of these bikes as marvels of modern ingenuity, especially compared to the machines I grew up riding the previous 5 decades. But it is nice to hear a fresh take that maybe picks a few scabs off of the de-facto hogwash of the motorcycling world. Lol)
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    Wow, I can see why many of the Honda AT riders gripe about the stock suspension. In the jump shots just after the 4 minute mark you can see the Honda's front fork damping completely overwhelmed and the bike pogoing upon landing. Is their no damping in those forks? LOL.
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    I didn't understand a word but it was fun to watch.
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    mcmann Motorcycle ADV enthusiast

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    The AT factory dampening & preload setting is soft . . . probably set for lighter riders to absorb bumps better . . . not jumps etc.

    They stiffen up fine for me at 195 lbs. I usually just pull up the front over mounds keep my rear on the ground. Most Adventure bikes are too heavy to be taking jumps like MX bikes.

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  14. hogmolly

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    The only bike that looked "out of sorts" on their track was the GS. I swear the bike looks like a kids lollipop from the front.
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    lukasteam Life is beautiful !!!

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    Interesting review , but I think easier and faster are two different things here . S10 might be "easier" to ride ( although I can't see how wrestling a heavier bike even with better rider aids can be easier ), but on the AT you would get there faster . Just thinking out loud ....
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    A couple of thoughts...

    The AT suspension does look pretty overwhelmed at times; Am I the only one who considers factory suspension to be something that keeps wheels attached to bike for shipping, and serving no other purpose?

    They used the BMW GS Adventure. Wondering why they didn't use the regular GS (at around 50lbs lighter?)

    I like them all
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    twinrider pass the catnip

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    You have to wonder if they bothered to dial it in. Two-up with luggage overwhelms it, not solo with no baggage.
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    Doesn't matter what they say.
    My bike is the best.
    For me.
    So there.
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    supasonic Been here awhile

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    Asking the real questions here...
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  20. plumer1kt

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    sponsored magazines...
    money talks guys...
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