Off road in Spain

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  1. c-m

    c-m Long timer

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    Heading over to Spain in the Dakar early next month.

    Can anyone tell me more about off-road routes?

    I've seen little about the Ruta (Via) de la Plata but struggling to find out good information on it.

    Also heard about some old 'goat tracks' in the Sierra Nevada, but again information is in short supply.

    Anyone know anything more about these?
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  2. The Spanish Biker

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    The Via de la Plata is a 'Cañada Real' and a lot of it is closed to traffc either because it is archaelogical ruins, i.e. Roman road in situ, redevelped as the Autovia of the same name or simply too narrow to ride legally.

    'Goat tracks' sound a bit difficult as in Spain there is a global prohibition of all traffic on anything less than 4.5 metres wide. I can't be specific about the Sierra Nevada, which is huge, but you might find it very restricted, totally so in the area of the National Park, unless you have specific routes recommended to you.

    This sounds negative but it's not meant to be. There are millions of kilometres of amazing trails in Spain but you have to do some more homework - especially with regard to the seventeen autonomous regions, each of which has its own laws over and above the 'global' regs:)

    Regs

    Simon

    PS I've just taken a loo at the rules and regs for the Sierra Nevada which referes to no vehicles off the 'permitted roads' which may be either good or bad - what you need is a definitive map of the Park with these marked, i.e. here. Note that 'senderos' means 'footpaths' and I'm certain that these would be resricted.
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  3. ata

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    try not to cross National Parks

    but, Spain is huge and can be crossed by dirt bikes for sure

    this is an example
    <iframe frameBorder="0" src="http://es.wikiloc.com/wikiloc/spatialArtifacts.do?event=view&id=2808239&measures=off&title=off&near=off&images=off&maptype=S" width="500" height="400"></iframe>

    just be careful with the environment :evil
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    ata expat in the jungle

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    uh!
    and Portugal could be a chance as well

    <iframe frameBorder="0" src="http://es.wikiloc.com/wikiloc/spatialArtifacts.do?event=view&id=3126326&measures=off&title=off&near=off&images=off&maptype=S" width="500" height="400"></iframe>

    <iframe frameBorder="0" src="http://es.wikiloc.com/wikiloc/spatialArtifacts.do?event=view&id=3126329&measures=off&title=off&near=off&images=off&maptype=S" width="500" height="400"></iframe>
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  5. c-m

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    The thing is there is practically no information online about riding off road in Spain.

    I'll be travelling from Santander to Seville, then to Granda, before heading back up to Bilbao. Got around 14 days in total.

    I'm hoping to find some dirt along away, but I've got no idea how.
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    ata expat in the jungle

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    many off road routes are available in this page Wikiloc
    use trail bike search and think that many routes are in spanish
    anyway,won´t find clear information about crossing Spain possibilities by tracks (pistas), actually ancient transhumance routes are suitable to do it, especially if you are careful with the environment. Of course, avoiding large cities.
    To draw proper routes, would need the topohispania and work on routes you've previously downloaded from wikiloc.
    download links (free)

    PART1
    PART2
    PART3
    PART4
    PART5
    PART6
    PART7
    PART8
    PART9

    of course, will find a bunch of forbidden areas or private properties, that´s why you´ll need those maps in your GPS...... to improvise and survive:lol3
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    Gota agree with ata..

    the garmin topo espania v3 is excellent and the portugal topoista is very good too..

    I use the wikiloc stuff in and around Andorra..you can superimpose the gpx files in google earth as kml files ..chose show line..and it draws it on the google map so you can zoom in to get some info..all be it old sat imagry..

    be carefull and be prepaired to turn around,,bon moto
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  8. The Spanish Biker

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    Hi, good to see you persevering. 'ata' is your man for details but note that to get Spanish routes it's best to search in Spansh, i.e. get place names absolutely right and use key words like 'pista' (trail) and 'moto' (motorbike).

    As for the laws in general. No-one wants to take this on because it's so complicated, until I got fed up one day and summarised them - as much for myself as anyone else!

    Enjoy!

    Simon
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    Hi ata,

    thanks for these links. What do you use to view them on your computer?

    Regs

    Simon
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  10. ata

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    well, these are just download links, all of them are HERE but written in spanish, so hard to understand for a brit, i think:D

    elgps.com is gps bible in spanish and "sinrenkor" our priest
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    This is probably the time to tell you that I sold my old Garmin Quest GPS :cry
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    which one do you use now?

    check that page out, there are navitel, compegps and twonav links as well

    You could draw your routes on google earth, save it as .kml and open it with TRACKMAKER to change that file to .gpx (gps exchange) :wink:
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  14. The Spanish Biker

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    Thanks ata, Spanish is no problem for me - as long as you don't expect me to write in Spanish on-line :rofl

    The link is perfect. I'll have some time to try this over the next few weeks. I see the links include files for Mac - always a problem!

    Cheers

    Simon
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    I'm running basecamp on my mac.

    I can see two sets of Mac links.

    which ones do I need?

    There's some with DEM (whatever that is) and some without.

    Thanks
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    1. Get a Garmin as maps are free if you know where to look including Spain Topo

    2. Get a proper PC ;-)
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    Thanks, but I'd still need to download the Spain topo maps, so
    which maps do I get the DEM ones or the non-dem ones?
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    DEM means elevation data for 3D viewing on your gps
    so whatever you choose
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  19. c-m

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    Well in the end I didn't really do much other than a few gravel roads.

    I was two up (which is fine) but had the original BMW panniers, which aren't great for bumpy tracks.

    I referenced all the links you guys gave me in the link below, and included the GPX of a nice route through Andalusia.

    http://defylife.co.uk/adventure/europe/off-roading-in-spain/

    Cheers.
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  20. The Spanish Biker

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    Hi there,

    I've just taken a look at your blog and route, etc.

    The $10,000 question - How did your girlfriend take to touring?

    Regs

    Simon

    PS - thank's for putting folks onto the rules and egs page for trail riding :)
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