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Discussion in 'Racing' started by Dezertfox, Oct 3, 2012.
I'll f5-ing well jump in then with an observation from the darkside...
The Maroc rallye sure is shaping up to be a real DAKAR formguide... if not a great competition/race in it's own right (this event region has a long history - almost that of Dakar - in terms of cross country rally history).
And while I don't begrudge NPO the size and quality of the field for one minute (both MOTO/QUAD and AUTO/CAMION)... the quality of the field is second to none (except possibly dakar), with the top 30 moto and top 10 Auto entries reading like a who's who/creme de la' creme (with only a few notable ommissions in the auto field) of the current CCR competitors. This is quite obviously a testimony to the regard in which the event is organised, promoted and run... so I cannot help but wonder WHY this rally is not in the FIM/FIA World championship for Cross Country Rallies???
Just a week ago (or less) we saw the Pharoahs Rally (which is included in both the FIA and FIM calender) run andwon... with by comparison... what was only a handful of top line competitors in either category? :huh
Whether this is due to the fact that either A). in some regards the "title" was already decided... and as such did not warrant the factories/teams to participate or B). some other political/economic reason why (most of the) the premier teams in both classes, seemingly give priority to another (non-title desert rally)... It still makes me wonder just how "valid" the FIA/FIM CCR World championship titles are, when the events on the series calender attract what can only be regarded as less that representative fields of the "best" teams/competitors in the particular sporting discipline!? :eek1
Now I know that last year I stood on some toes when I commented on Helder Rodrigues CCR World Title win... and once again my comments were more along the lines of; "Why are there so few riders/teams participating in the championship" or "Helder really only had to beat one or two other top level riders to take the titel" as opposed to any negative reflection about the Portuguese champion himself, his dedication, talent or the proffesionalism of his (then 20011) Yamaha supported efforts.
But I have always been of the understanding that a WORLD champion is the rider/driver/team that performs best, at a specific genre of motorsport, conducted at a number of venues around the globe, which reflect the countries and cultures, conducted under the same sporting parameters AND contsted by a selection of the best exåponents of that sport, from around the world.
Tell me how can it be then that a "Cross country World Championship" can be comprised of;
A.) two (albeit well run and apparently competitive/challenging) sand dune rallies held only a week apart from each other in what (by global standards) conducted in a relatively small geographic area that you could literally "toss a blanket over".
B.) one etremely well promoted (but entirely different from the discipline of desert rally) event in the middle of summer on the resort like island of Sardinia... an event more akin to the rallye/enduro events of the continental european countries like Italy, Greece, Crotaia/albania etc. an event that is more like "B schedule enduro following roadbook" than a traditional marathon rally, as is evidenced by the prevalence of Rallye-"super"-lite bikes used at this event (ie: enduro bikes with a roadbook roller and ICO fitted) as opposed to genuine rally bikes (with fuel autonomy and equipment for 250 km + stages of competition).
C.) the fourth (and final) round (Pharoahs), held only a week or so before another (non-titel event) which even though it is bestowed "World championship" status, only attracts a handful of top competitors... while the "non-titel" bout has billboard status with all of the weight divisions big hitters in the ring?! :huh
It just does not make sense to me...? I have always been of the opinion that a "World Championship" was made up of "the best of the best, in the biggest arena"... but regretably have to say (that for most of the FIA/FIM World Cup/World Championship of Cross Country Rallies history)... most of these titles have been contended by "the rest of the less, at the what was left".
DAKAR ( the biggest longest, oldest AND most important event on the calender, has NEVER been part of the titel), and there are events in many parts of the world (that at various previous times HAVE been part of the CCR World Cup) eg. Brazil (DesSertoes), Argentina (Las Pampas), Australia (Safari) and even some newly introduced events in Asia (Mongolia), now that would make for a truly global and representative "world championship"... but still the selection, and acceptance criteria for the rallies that do end up on the calender from year to year, seem to lack any form of consistency or scheduling (in regards to each other). More than once we have seen two events that are either so close (or coincide with one another) datewise, that it is physically (and economically) impossible - even for multiple rider/vehicle factory teams - to attend all events.
Not to single the Sardinia Rally out - by all accounts a great event, professionally promoted and run, which attracts a great field of riders and sponsors. media and spectator interest. But what in hell does it have to do with Cross Country (desert) rally, when the top 50% of the field are 450/500cc enduro bikes, with a roadbook and trip meter on the cross brace.
Gee... make a "European Championship" for events similar to this (there is a whole series of them in Italy) and the Hellenic rally, Albania etc. But to have this event as part of the "Cross Country Rally World Championship" (alongside events like UAE desert Challenge or the Pharoahs) is as ludicrous as when the "Baja Espana" and "Baja Italia" were part of the FIA's world cup. It would be like halfway throught the F1 series including a race for go-karts around the Maui Hiltons carpark as part of the "F1 World Title"... laughable.
Back to the topic at hand... The Oilibya Rallye Maroc is shaping up to be a really great and competitive rallye... the quality of the field is (apart from Dakar in january) prabably the broadest and most competitive assembled this year. Just a shame (from my perspective) that an event of this calibre does not count (to the already decided) world title... when other (lesser) patronized (dare I say prestigious) event do.
Well, there you go Drif... that should pour some avgas on the "state of all things rallye" debate... This is possibly better placed/suited in the "Bivouac" thread (I will copy/paste to there), but we really only have YOU to blame mate... You opened the pandoras' box... I just jumped in with my knickers in a twist...
PS: Just to add another dimension to the cross fire...
What about the Merzouga Rally?
Here's another (second) well run event in Marocco (early november) aimed/touted as a warm up for aspiring Dakar competitors (maybe a bit close to then end of the year if one has more problems than say a sprained ankle... but anyway?). It just serves to underline my criticism of the whole calender/planning thing. You see it time and time again... two (or more) events in geographically similar areas, targeting the same customer base, at more or less the same time... yet at other times of the year, there are scarcely anything on the diary pages.
I know a lot has to do with climate, or certain nations holiday schedules etc., but still... sometimes I can't help but get the impression that it is like a bunch of ants arguing over who gets to raid the picnic table on the 4th of july weekend...
... yet there is food going to waste in the dumpster 364 other days in the year...
F5 warm up time....
Does anyone know if there is any mobile apps/links to the race? I'm going to be traveling this weekend and will have limited computer access.
TSC brings it again.
As a fan and supporter, it seems to me to be a central issue: politics.
Everybody has their sandbox, and those that organize these events are uninclined to play well with each other. It appears that they view each other as competitors vice fellow enthusiasts. Without being a fly on the wall over the years to know the players and their histories with each other, I can only surmise that they don't get along all that well for whatever reason(s).
If you're looking global, what abput Baja? Yes, a short event, but one with much history and considered a major challenge for any. Imagine the top 25 from rallye in this.
Then imagine Robby's glee at the mini boys on his turf...
Here's to a safe race, and worn out F5 buttons.
you must feel better after that !
You have about covered it all, can only add from info that Morocco is easier to get to - drive through Spain and a short ferry ride, as such for the likes of HRC more time to prepare and less time on the road - they need it
For the others, equally easy to get to and as you have said the WRC was wrapped up, so much that even the winner couldn't be arsed - or KTM couldn't. But it certainly devalues the WRC - Imagine doing that in F1
Must be some answer to consolidate a full WRC annual event - Money, money, money
haha leave it to Troy to sum it up
XWRC... loosing its luster...haven't we been talking about this for a while now since it is like 3 rounds and yaddyyadda
mini's in the baja?? sounds like fun to me
what about them toyotas? anyone care about the cars (ahem trucks...)?
This rally will answer a lot of questions many of us have been asking recently
but I bet it will leave us asking many more once it is all said and done
disregard your dakar countdown clocks, Rally Maroc is upon us.
I just had a look through the Italian forums, unfortunately -as per the entry list of the Maroc Rally- the Bordone Ferrari Mi1 has been postponed till mid 2013...
looks like the whole team wil be on KTMs for the Dakar as well.
Regarding the omnishambles that makes up the XWRC, I would prefer to see a European championship (Sardegna, Albania, Serres -which is a round of the European XC cup already- etc), plus the Baja series is already solid, and definitely make the XWRC all over the world, lord knows there are more than enough exotic destinations:
One problem may be that the FIM have enough trouble dealing with the FIA as it is, plus they are still lovestruck with the more prestigious series like MotoGP, WSBK, WEC, MX to give a hoot about the rally scene. Hopefully it will change now that HRC have made such a high profile investment, assuming they don't only focus on the Dakar, but I also feel that you need a solid promoter for the whole series. Right now I don't even think there is one...
It seems quite simple...world series should be from around the world. One from Africa, South America, Asia, Australia and ?
Then it becomes a true world series
Bit like Baseball then!
I dream of a Rally Raid series similar to the WRC.
Bikes and cars/trucks. Every continent. Every season of the year. Ice lakes, forests and deserts. Maybe even a bit of asphalt (don't stone me). Mandated participation for factories/star riders. Prototypes and (poor-man's) stock categories. Well televised and promoted.
Some umbrella girls would also freshen up the images.
Ehh... It'll never happen.
Every condition, day night rain shine, surface, sounds like one of the primary reasons I liked the local rallies here in the first place! BEsides the poor man's categories.
Safariberg will have the umbrella girl pics, they seem to have plenty in oz!
Bike set-up time?
Can't wait for the vid, but - 3 bikes or 5?
Team HRC (@RallyTeamHRC)
Video shooting going on today in our two-day pre-Moroccan rally test. All five Team HRC riders on the CRF450 Rally. Gonna be AWESOME!!!!
EDITED for historical accuracy...
It looks like they photo shopped the hat on him and then (I suspect) added the answer to the drink question
Hope he does well
Copied from the Speedbrain website -
Hot on the heels of their triumph in the Pharaons Rally the Husqvarna Rallye Team by Speedbrain sets off today for Morocco where the Oilybia Rally will be held from 15th to 20th October, another important test before Dakar 2013.
The team will be made up of three riders on the Husqvarna TE449RR by Speedbrain. Alongside Pharaons Rally winner Spaniard Joan Barreda will be Paulo Goncalves from Portugal, who lines up beside 31 year old Australian Matt Fish. Matt Fish has some 25 years off-road racing experience and his greatest achievement to date has been his victory in the Indee 500 in Australia this year, as well as finishing in the top ten of the Abu Dhabi Rally in Quatar.
The Husqvarna Rally Team by Speedbrain aims to use Morocco as a final test to fine tune the bike before the Dakar 2013, as well as getting the eleven man team of riders, technicians and mechanics up to scratch.
The Oilybia Rally of Morocco sets off from Erfoud and finishes in Zagora with a total of 6 stages, 1550 km (969 miles) of special test, making up 2000 km (1250 miles) in total.
Wolfgang Fischer – Team Manager: ”The Morocco rally is a particularly important one in the build-up to the Dakar 2013. It’ll be the last chance to run on terrain similar to what we will find in January’s race, and to test out the latest technical modifications that we’ve made to our TE449RR. It’ll also be an important test for the whole squad, which with the addition of Australian rider Matt Fish is now really well rounded out. Matt will act as a pacemaker for Barreda and Goncalves.”
Now, there's a new one - not support or waterboy, but pacemaker
Brazilian rally star Felipe Zanol is one of 4 riders hired by Honda factory for the Dakar 2013. Shot here today testing the new Dakar bikes in Morocco ! Next week is The NPO-Morocco rally, first real race test of this brand new Factory machine.
Plenty of pics here, but not too sure if Sam has remembered he is on an R and not an X