Olympia AST 2 jacket leaks

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  1. burmbuster

    burmbuster Long timer

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    But I have the air glide with the liner. There is not a jacket out there that does not utilize a liner that will keep you 100% dry. Everyone on this board that rides in the rain has complained at one time or another about leaking gear in heavy downpours. I plan on buying a new Olympia Moto X suit after the first of the year. It also has liners. The Klim stuff has had leaks as well and does not breathe very well in warmer climates.
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  2. Drif10

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    Yeah, I went through the ast arm leak saga too, on 2 jackets.

    Went back to aerostich: darien jacket, ad1 pants. No leaks. The most was some wicking up at the cuffs, with what was a glove problem (since solved).

    Can't speak of others, but stich works for me.
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  3. V-Stormer

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    I've heard good things about Aerostich, but after having a jacket with pretty decent ventilation, it's hard to go back. I've been in some damned hot weather with the AST and with a dampened LG Comfort Tee underneath, it was like riding with air-conditioning!

    The two significant problems in my mind with the AST . . . 1 ) the outside fabric gets way too wet and heavy, and even if I could live with that, 2) the quality and construction of the waterproof membrane was very weak and not abrasion resistant. I never had a problem with the vent zippers leaking as far as I can tell, just a failure of the membrane itself. Every other feature, fit and design aspect of it was fine.

    I'm still leaning toward the Klim Badlands for those two reasons, plus the similar venting. I hope I'm not disappointed, but I'm having a really hard time finding any reports or reviews that indicate problems with the Badlands.
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  4. rheritage

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    You would think these companies would learn from other industries already using "True" waterproof garments. I've been an avid offshore sailor for years, companies like Henri Loyd, Musto and Gill have excellent foul weather gear. I've had to rely on this gear for days offshore of constant rain and sray and they work great.

    The only reason I can think of as to why the motorcycle industry have not succeeded as well as the marine industry in true waterproofing is due to the abrasion resistance required for riding gear. I can only hope that they get a handle on it soon. I've been through many jackets and pants none have kept me dry for any length of time, I've been using a full rain suit over my gear and so far it's the only thing to keep me completely dry.
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  5. V-Stormer

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    Abrasion resistance is certainly a factor, but so is venting. You don't have the luxury on a bike to just stow your waterproof gear in a footlocker when you don't need it, so it's more important to have one system that will do it all . . . at least to a large degree, but waterproofness is the top priorty. You can always open up the front of your jacket if it's unbearably hot, but if you get wet, you're screwed.


    As to the full rain suit . . . I was in a torrential downpour on my ride home from work yesterday with my non-breathable rain shell over top of my AST and was completely dry. But I hate having to carry that extra gear, (and wearing it) especially when off road touring. Packing light and compact is a necessity. Would be nice to have just one set of pants and jacket that can meet all conditions. I think the manufacturers are close, though. But I still think they are all designing convenience ahead of practicality. On every jacket on the market, the zipper cover flaps are fixed on the wrong side in my opinion. They catch wind and rain rather than deflect it. I'd rather be fussing with a zipper to open it under a flap that works to seal out moisture, then dealing with the moisture itself.
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  6. KingOfFleece

    KingOfFleece SplitWeight(tm) waterproof seat covers

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    Nice stories. As a guy who has a waterproof product to sell I run across this type of thing all the time. MOST every product sold as waterproof is not and the manufacture does not care at all. That's what the guarentee is for. Second rate stuff gets mass marketed to us ALL the time and as you have found out, getting waterproof and bargin price in the same product is very difficult. Not to mention that most stuff is contracted out to factories that crank out garments by the thousands for different OEM's every day.

    My waterproof seat covers will NEVER leak but it comes at cost and I hear it all the time. Fact is, the material alone costs me MORE than the selling price of my competition. So what do I do? I buy the very best stuff in the world and have to charge for it. Many don't want to pay but that's ok. You'll never see a post on ADV saying my stuff leaked. It's made for the guy who's sick and tired of buying stuff that does not work as advertized.

    Testing my stuff all the time means that I'm in the rain all the time. I must have every glove ever made. Jackets, too.
    The ONLY ones that have never left me wet cost an arm and a leg. EVERY mid-range product I've used has failed. As an aside, I test most of the rain gear for my dealer. Whenever they get new stuff for weather I test it for them. This is to keep the salesmen honest, or as honest as they can be (on the wholesale end).

    Quality control is another huge issue. There is a small % of even the good stuff that has factory defects. The only reliable way to know FOR SURE that stuff is watertight prior to use is the bucket test and/or shower test. Yep, it's a pain to do but it's the only way to know.

    My .02
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  7. Drif10

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    17 hour run from Alabama back to Canada last Sunday, most of it in a little rain shower called Sandy. Darien jacket, AD1 pants, and I was dry the whole time.

    That'll do.
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  8. KingOfFleece

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    No better test ever devised!
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  9. V-Stormer

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    Notable points . . . which is why I'd have no problem spending big bucks on a Klim Badlands 2 piece suit this time around. I too have found the mid-range stuff to fail . . . which is why we're here. However, when I spend $1,500 on a waterproof suit, with a guarantee . . . I expect it to do what they say or they should fix it. The "water resistant zippers aren't waterproof" excuse doesn't fly with me . . . so I'm a bit disappointed to hear that Klim gave that excuse to Keiji. That's why the zippers have covers and everything should be placed in such a way that it's foolproof (arm tensioners, zipper flaps/garages) and waterproof. If they can't guarantee that, then they shouldn't claim it to be waterproof. I just hope Keiji's experience is the exception, not the rule.

    I also agree that there is always a small percentage of manufacturing quality control issues and I can accept that too as long they can and will fix, replace or refund it without excuses.

    I don't expect to swim in a riding jacket, so the bucket test to me is not realistic . . . riding in the downpours coming from every angle, at highway speed, without a wall of plexiglass and plastic between you and the onslaught is how it should be tested. Real world. Wind has a way of forcing water into nooks and crannies that gravity won't. :)
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    Update . . . I emailed Klim and they acknowledged that there is a seam in a cargo pocket that cannot be sealed, so in certain conditions, water may leak into the pocket, but it will not leak through the jacket. If it does leak into the jacket, or for any leakage through zippers (if the zipper covers and garages are used properly), that will be warranteed. So this is what they're saying . . . we'll see . . . decided I'm going to spring for the Badlands suit this week.
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  11. KingOfFleece

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    The bucket test will expose faulty seams in a hurry.
    A good garden hose will do a good job in lieu of a rainstorm.
    I have several SCUBA dry suits with zippers. They don't leak at 100 feet down which is WAY more pressure than we see on our bikes. Zippers should not leak.
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  12. V-Stormer

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    Not sure whether increasing but fairly even surrounding water pressure at depth equates to the pressure of driving wind and rain going 70 mph down the road, but it's a nice graphic comparison and I agree, zippers should not leak. That's what the double protection of the zipper covers should take care of on riding gear, unless they're not placed well or designed properly. As for arm tensioners, same applies, but common sense for the rider should also prevail not to keep them too taught. Hoping to order the Badlands jacket this week, so I guess I'll see whether they stand up to their reputation.
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  13. keiji

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    The water resistant zippers used in moto gear is not as robust as the dry suit zipper. It is basically a reversed coil zipper with a coating on the zipper tape, and it is very easy to split the "seal" with any sort of tension across the zipper. Once you play with it, you will know exactly what I am talking about.

    Something like this is enough to allow water to seep through.
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  14. KingOfFleece

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    Good points and I understand. Just sayin that the zipper tech is avail. Most won't want to pay for it.

    This kind of stuff is want makes me look for the very best avail. as I'm a bit tired of stuff not living up to it's billing.
    It's either waterproof, or it is'nt.

    Always a good discussion here at ADV. You guys are cool. Plenty of my thinking comes from 10 years in professional SCUBA. There is NO place in that world for "almost works". Dragging morons to the surface from 100 feet down with failing "stuff" will ram home that point in a hurry.
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