Olympic Basketball & Egomaniacs

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  1. knary

    knary sunshine and puppies

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    Who ever assembled this particular team is an idiot. All they needed to open their offense is a few outside shooting role players.
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  2. BUBB

    BUBB lynch not Zimmerman

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    Years ago I played on a State Championship team. (roughly 3rd string) In fact, our coach was famous for fielding state championship teams. He was always in contention and won it about 3-4 times that decade.

    As far as I was concerned, he hardly coached. We barely practiced set plays. We shot baskets and scrimmaged largely uncoached during our practice sessions.

    All these years, I wondered why his teams were so sucessful. This Olympics has helped me understand why. He let us/made us play as a team and kept our egos out of it.



    More could be said, but it would be largely B.S. on my part....
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  3. Komet

    Komet The Voice of Reason

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    NBA = Street ball magnified. Look at me, look at me, look at me. Although I do see it changing somewhat for the better, particularly with defenses.
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  4. RocketJohn

    RocketJohn Hook em' Horns!

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    I agree with this...

    TeamUSA should be ashamed of themselves for thinking they could play competitively by mashing together players without sufficient practice and playtime... With only 2.5 months offseason, I don't know why any PRO player would compromise their revenue stream to survive the wear and tear of the Olympics... I think they should choose the winning NCAA tournament team to represent the USA... those kids are amazing...
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  5. Bert

    Bert Fair / Balanced

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    Personally I think this particular group tried hard.

    Their problem is that they don't know how to play. Just a bunch of good athletes doing playground / NBA one-on-one stuff. Passing, ball-movement, defense, shooting, spacing, positioning, none of those skills were evident.

    We'd be better off with the NCAA champions representing us, or any of the NBA Division champions. "All-star" pickup squads don't cut it against the international teams they're playing now.
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  6. Komet

    Komet The Voice of Reason

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    Bert, I'm going to agree with you...difficult to play a team game when you are not a team.
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  7. wxwax

    wxwax Excited Member

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    Lots of nonsense posted in this thread, IMHO.

    1/ The team selection process was flawed. The team they finally sent was too young, had no outside shooters, and couldn't play defense. Larry Brown was vocal in criticizing a process that handed him a team he knew to be flawed. I reckon the selection process will be the first thing that gets changed.

    2/ No basketball team representing the United States will ever have the cohesiveness of some of the other national teams currently playing. If anything, the other countries are likely to drift towards a less cohesive state. Anyone who's familiar with international soccer will understand why. The key is having enough time and games for the national team to jell. But there are enormous conflicts between the needs of the professional clubs who supply the players, and the national teams. Bottom line, clubs will only give up the players for a limited amunt of time. As pro leagues become increasingly successful in other nations, and the money involved gets bigger, there's a good chance they'll have the same problem that exists here.

    3/ Absolutely we should recognize the NBA players who volunteered to play in the Olympics. But let's not go too far. Anyone read Larry Brown's rants about how the players were trying to nonchalant their way through games? Many of the guys apparently thought they would win just by showing up. Not much to respect about that kind of an attitude.

    4/ The paucity of outside shooting is something that's been said of the NBA game for years. Players are obsessed with the drive to the hoop and the jam. It is my personal hope that one outcome of the Olympic failures will be a change in the NBA game, over time. But I'm afraid it's a forlorn hope.

    5/ Before we get too carried away by saying that NBA players can't play as a team, let's remember who won the NBA crown this year. And let's remember the style of ball they played. Has everyone already forgotten the praise heaped on Larry Brown for getting his Pistons to play the game the right way - as a team?

    That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :flip
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  8. Bert

    Bert Fair / Balanced

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    I'd prefer the NCAA champions represent the US. Failing that I'd settle for the NBA champions. No doubt at all in my mind the Pistons would have blown away any team they faced - including the gaggle we had representing us.

    The 'all-star' approach throwing a bunch of strangers together doesn't work any more.
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  9. Lobby

    Lobby Viel Spass, Vato!

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    Rider's right. But one additional point that I've been saying from the beginning. And today, an Argentinian player said it for me.

    "The NBA is played with rules that highlight individual talent," Manu Ginobili.

    That statement is completely true. And why is it so? Follow the $, grasshopper. Individual superstars and showboating bring fans. Team play doesn't.

    Hell, doesn't the NBA have rules AGAINST a zone defense? Gimme a break. The rest of the world including the Olympics have rules to favor a team sport. We play an individual game. So we lose.

    Duh!
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  10. slowbike smallpenis

    slowbike smallpenis Tester of Tooheys Old

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    What about the Baseball?
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  11. Komet

    Komet The Voice of Reason

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    Beyond your grasp laddy, best stay with cricket or croquet. :evil
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  12. wxwax

    wxwax Excited Member

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    Not anymore.
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  13. Komet

    Komet The Voice of Reason

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    And it has improved the game IMO.
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  14. slowbike smallpenis

    slowbike smallpenis Tester of Tooheys Old

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    Ya Jealous, jealous I tell you ... 5 Day Test Match, dont get much better.

    A famous photo of a famous Aussie - D.K.Lillie and a huge slips. At least we qualified for the Olympics in Baseball :lol3
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  15. dagwood

    dagwood Banned

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    It's also bout these boy's not being the first to be asked to go. Didn't more of the experienced players either turn down the op or have the team owners say "no, you can't have _______, He might blow out a knee" or somesuch?
    And...There was plenty of NBA players spread all over the other country's teams as well so it wasn't like they got beat by inferior players. it was Quality BB from the other "Teams" that won the day. it was subpar performance from the US "team members"
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