One Bike to Rule Them All?

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by FishrCutB8, Nov 22, 2012.

  1. keystiger

    keystiger rat on a roll

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    It does slope forward some, however my wife doesn't seem to mind nor do I :D
    And trully the slope is only when no one is on it. with 1 or two people it compresses the suspension and flattens right out.
    Being completely honest here.......It really depends on what YOU are truly looking to do with a bike. Fire roads/trails to camping locations. Tiger, Tenere, Multistrada, Gs, Buell Uly, all just fine 1 or 2 up. Would I attempt Colorado Utah TAT on one....nope, well maybe somebody elses but not mine.:rofl
    Just like I would NOT take a 650 single loaded with 2 people and gear on an interstate road trip. But would do that on my Tiger any day of the week and have. Comfortably at speeds able to keep up with or pass Turnpike traffic. Not just making up crap I owned a BMW F650 rotax motor thumper. Great light little bike much better for off road than the Tiger. (yes I said it) But was anaemic & underpowered on the highway. Put 2 grown adults and gear on it and it was pathetic. Felt like I was on one of the old lawn mower motor scooters from my childhood.
    Sooooo if you really want a bike that is capable of doing it ALL in 33 years of riding and 28 bikes the one I chose (when I had to downsize to just one) and will not ever get rid of is the 955i Tiger.
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  2. Bryn1203

    Bryn1203 Dances with spaniels

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    The Buell is a good choice. Plenty of soul, good handling, cheap to run, torky - great too up. Or DL1000 ?
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  3. FishrCutB8

    FishrCutB8 Oh HAI!

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    Rode a Buell today and had two thoughts.

    1) Holy carp is that torque crazy? I was on a Lightning, and the "power band" starts at 1 RPM and goes all the way up. There is no place where it doesn't feel totally ready to jump.


    2) That engine shakes a LOT at lower RPMs. I know Erik was working with the HD Engine, but that's the best they could do. I wasn't on it long enough to get the fan going, but feel that wont be going on the plus side of the ledger, either.
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  4. ten.98

    ten.98 ...leave a trail

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    If you're riding hard enough to damage these wheels, more power to you. Most people I find talk a big game about what their bikes are capable of, right before they putter their way off to Starbucks.

    The topic was one bike to rule them all, and to me that means street as well as dirt. When you look from extreme to extreme (superbike to dirt bike), the only thing that comes close in my opinion (having owned the gamut) is the MTS.

    To the OP's original req's:

    - Reliable: 7500 miles between oil changes, 15,000 miles between valve adjustments.
    - Off Road Capable: The bike wont be whats holding you back.
    - 2-up Power: 150hp of pure awesomeness.
    - Affordable: (nothing to see here)
    - Soul: Pure Italian Thoroughbred.

    And just because most Ducati owners aren't usually willing to put their bikes into harms way, doesn't mean they aren't capable of great things.

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  5. oalvarez

    oalvarez Resident Raggamuffin

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    well, between $7,000-$8,000 perhaps :deal

    I can appreciate the enthusiasm for your new bike though!
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  6. DockingPilot

    DockingPilot Hooked Up and Hard Over

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    Oh don't take my post the wrong way. Me likey !



    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk not at Starbucks :lol3
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  7. HI378

    HI378 Adventurer

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    I have a Tiger 955i (05) and love it! It's my precious now. I have been on some dirt road and light trail and it works fine. I had a DR650 but after some long distance days decided to get something a little more road capable and butt friendly. I am in the process of adding crash bars, panniers, a skid plate and aggressive tires before i do anything too aggresive off roadwise.

    I loved the DR but IMHO its not made for long haul or 2up. Still if you choose it I suggest you see Jesse at keintech for better springs and a High compression piston and pipe. You can do it for under a grand ( if you do it yourself, not hard) and the power and ride become much more capable.

    Whatever you do enjoy and be safe.
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  8. _cy_

    _cy_ Long timer

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    at 485 lb wet + gear .. it's probably among the lightest of the beast class bikes. just take some getting used to seeing a big Ducati doing much dirt work...

    Ducati Elefants sure are cooool and would be a good candidate for dirt/road. for some reason they sell for dirt cheap. super clean ones come up for 3k-$5k range

    if I didn't already have an R80G/S ... I'd already have a Elefant.

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  9. FishrCutB8

    FishrCutB8 Oh HAI!

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    I suppose that's what I was really asking: which one is your "Precious"? I laughed when I read that....
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  10. wizz

    wizz Up a creek......

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    elephants are really cool, would like to have one just to have dakar genetics. definately one of the best early adventurers made. would have wrenchs though simply for the age. would still recommend testing a multi 1100 or 1000 thats had valve issues addressed. youll be suprised how nice these bikes are and how easy they are to work on. then save your pennys. youll love it so much youll want to move on to the next generation. i have a 620, which is a great bike but needs suspension upgrade in order to truly perform and might not be fully satisfying 2up.
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  11. Cos

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    With all due respect, service intervals have nothing to do with reliability.
    The MTS is a fantastic bike but i wouldn't consider it reliable. Not yet anyway, with all the reports of shocks crapping out etc etc.
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  12. ten.98

    ten.98 ...leave a trail

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    Sorry, but read in the context of the OP who doesn't "want to spend time/money in the shop", length of service intervals play a large part of determining expected operating cost / down time. Every bike is prone to unexpected failure, and if search through any forum long enough you'll come away with a worse impression then is probably warranted. Best bet is to go down to a dealer that sells a lot of different makes and ask him which one clogs up his service department the most.
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  13. Cos

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    I understand this, you were talking about reliability and this has nothing to do with it. Yes, every bike is prone to unexpected failure. However, when said bike is prone to an expected failure (shock on the MTS, FD on the BMW, R/R on the Triumph etc etc) is when the reliability factor comes in.
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  14. wizz

    wizz Up a creek......

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    the shock issue is 2010-2012 multi with ohlins well beyond op price range.:deal the previous model had no such issues and was well sorted.
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  15. victor441

    victor441 Long timer

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    I just bought mine recently and it came w/ a Corbin which works great solo and two up...am glad because if it did have a stock seat that sloped downwards that would drive me nuts, that was the case with the Monster it replaced and I had to buy a Sargent seat to fix it. Anyway absolutely love the bike but would be leery of riding it off road as it is so big and heavy, use my DR650 for ADV type riding....but many do make it work.
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  16. Gobius

    Gobius Been here awhile

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    Do you live anywhere close to a good Guzzi dealer? Hard to get much more soul than a Stelvio, and it meets all your requirements, too. First gen bikes (09-11) can be had in your price range - perhaps even a new leftover with full warranty.

    I do love those 955 tigers, too.
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  17. panhead_dan

    panhead_dan motorcycle addict

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    - reliable: I am a newbie and I don't want to spend time/money in the shop. I like the SV because the engine is largely bulletproof.
    - offroad capable: I'm not going over rock gardens, but it really would be nice to explore those trails, rather than driving past them
    - two-up power: the wife and I combined are about 360 pounds and she is 5' 10 (I am 6'). I don't think I will be two-up more than a day or two at a time (though Mrs. Fish continues to surprise me) and more B&b/hotel than camping...
    - affordable: I am loving the new Tiger 800 XC but the price is way out of my league. I am thinking $7-8k at the top end
    - soul: I'm not sure how you measure it, but if you've been on a bike that has one...


    I have put the Buell Ulysses on my list. I was thinking the V/Wee-strom as well, though its soul doesn't speak to me. What other bikes should I have on my list? Recommendations? Thoughts? Ideas?


    Go back to your original post. Buell Ulysses.
    I seriously love mine.
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  18. Climb14er

    Climb14er Jazz Aficionado

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    Living out here in Colorado and riding all over the west, there are few dealers of Triumph, BMW, Guzzi around. And when you get off-pavement, it gets more necessary to have reliability over-ride performance or 'good looking status'.

    I totally enjoyed riding the Triumph Explorer when I took it for a long test ride a few months ago. This was one smooth riding, smooth motor, nice handling and it had a certain sense of being a really enjoyable bike.

    I've enjoyed the R1200GS but with all the problems with reliability and dealers scattered throughout the west, I doubt if I'd go that route, and this included the 800GS... which I like as well... but the reliability thing is a no-go.

    Getting to Guzzis... great bikes... reliability... ZERO! and Hardly any dealers, competent or otherwise out west! My neighbor's Guzzi died FOUR times in three years. Each time, TOTAL breakdown and big time towing and repair. They were happy to get rid of that unreliable beast.

    This leaves me with a Super Tenere. Very nice bike, totally reliable, tons of dealers and support, rides nicely though is not as smooth or refined as the Triumph Explorer.

    If I can find a low mileage S10 at a low/reasonable price, I'd buy it.

    Looking at a few Wee-Stroms... ok... reliable, relatively inexpensive... lacking a little 'pizzaz'. But this can be over-looked.

    I'm going to take a serious look at the Explorer XC in the spring, if I don't find a bike by then.

    I've got a fine road bike for now. :beer
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  19. FishrCutB8

    FishrCutB8 Oh HAI!

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    Still reading a boatload on this site. It's like a library for adventure riding.

    I have pretty much boiled it down to:
    - Multistrada 1100 S which looks to have incredible handling and solid reliability. My understanding is this model goes 15k between valves,as opposed to 7500 on the DS 1000? Two thoughts. First, how much of a bank-breaker is the 15k service and second, is that the kind of thing one can do for oneself? It seems a lot of people have learned to do the valve work on the MTS themselves?
    - Buell Ulysses, which are popping up with low miles in my range and below. From what I have seen, there is a big difference/improvement in bearings in the 2008 models and later. Also, the general thought seems to be to get an extra belt, just for peace of mind, and learn how to change it, just for peace of mind....Thoughts?
    - Tiger 955 which seem awfully rare in clean, low mile condition (though I just saw one pop up on this site...on the wrong coast). Reliability-wise, people either love them or hate them, though most seem solidly in the love camp.


    Still having a great time reading thoughts and reviews, but I really prefer this site as it gives real-life ownership perspectives as opposed to mag articles which seem to have simply cut-and-pasted the dealer specs...

    Looking forward to Spring when I can actually get out and ride. And make a decision.
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  20. BryanCO

    BryanCO CO Rider

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    I do my own service. Valve checks are certainly within the realm of a weekend mechanic. Replacing or adjusting shims gets a bit more complicated but the need seems to be infrequent. An option is to tear the bike down (the tank has to come off for air filter and vale access) and have a local independent check the valves.

    My '06 S has 37k and I've done all of the maintenance - short of fork and shock rebuilds.
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