openroute service maps

Discussion in 'Mapping & Navigation' started by plumer1kt, Apr 7, 2018.

  1. plumer1kt

    plumer1kt Adventurer

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    many of us here are using a smartphone device for navigation and by that i don't mean turn by turn directions navigation.
    that's for people who can't read a map or for use in a city.
    we just upload a route/track to the device and start riding by following it without being online
    so simple.we all know how to do that.

    but where you can find that route/track?
    lots of stuff on the net or you can have it from a friend who just recorded his ride on his device.
    you can also create it.
    and there are many options of how to do this
    online services or programs installed on your PC can help you create a route.
    a simple search to this forum and you can find what is best for you.

    personally i'm using google "earth" to create a trail route where are no visible roads on the map.
    google "my maps" is what i'm using to create a route with visible roads on the map like fire roads,back roads or secondary roads.
    both of them have an "export as" button to export the created route as a GPX/KML file and then i only need to transfer that file to my gps device.

    OK.so what?
    why this thread?

    i always had a problem using an offline smartphone for navigation.
    the road/highway route that connect's the trail routes between them or from/to my home.

    e.g: i have a trail route that the starting point is 200km's away from my home and the finish point is 150km's .
    that makes me need two additional routes:
    the one from my home to the starting point and the other from the finish point back to my home.

    big deal?YES if you try to do this on "earth" or "my maps"
    you cannot simple add route preferences,road types etc.
    you need to adjust manually the route by click and drug , in order to make it as you like.
    i do want highways butt i don't want any tolls on my routes and to create such a route i spend a lot of time.
    that is something i don't like.
    i just want to set a start and a finish point,some route preferences and export that route to a GPX/KML file.

    GOOGLE/BING/OSM/MICHELLIN/HERE/FLASH EARTH etc. maps can create the route butt cannot export it to a GPX/KML file .
    shareable link or print the directions is the only way for them.


    except openroute service maps
    you can simple create a route in few clicks and export it to a GPX/KML file

    you have a smartphone for GPS?
    you are using it offline?
    you want to create routes fast and easy?
    here is your answer.

    maybe there are other solutions for that but the route preferences and filters provided in the openroute service maps and how easy and fast you can export a route even without visible roads on the map makes it my number one routing application

    this is a route i made in less than 2 minutes
    rushan to lenin pik base camp through bartang valley


    bye-bye google.....i will not miss you.....

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  2. ohgood

    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    I just created an identical route in about ten seconds.

    Screenshot_2018-04-07-19-33-49.png

    of course I was cheating because I just followed your lead, but it's super fast/easy using two points in between to shape the route.

    I gave up on the filters a long time ago because they were too problematic to remember which one I used... now I just drag/drop.

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  3. baerrus

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    Really promising but not quite usable yet. Still working on trying to recreate a track I have...stay tuned

    It did not know where Mariposa, US was.
    I could not upload and make route of most GPX tracks I tried. Including your own Bartang Valley track. Some tracks would upload but appear 80% truncated.
    Does not yet have explicit Motocycle as a mode of travel. I had to select Mountain Bike?

    update:

    What openroute thinks as unpaved road seems to disgree with what I see on Google aerial photos.
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  4. ohgood

    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    it's really a shot in the dark to allow a GPS to recalculate a route, that's why I don't do it anymore. using a plotted/recorded TRACK and following it, instead of letting the GPS route with via points, is much more reliable.
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    Also I do not understand why it makes a difference between paved and asphalt roads. You can avoid paved but not alphalt. That might be a european thing poorly translated into English.
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  6. Grinnin

    Grinnin Forever N00b

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    There are two towns here with a good dirt road between them. I asked openroute service maps to route between them and avoid "paved roads" and it routes me on 100% asphalt. Even the route summary shows 100% asphalt.
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  7. plumer1kt

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    asphalt road is paved road also.
    just the fact that this type of road is the best road for a vehicle (flat,smooth,quiet,plenty of grip especially on rain)
    by far from any other material is the reason to be in a road category alone.
    paved roads are , any other material road like concrete or stone or anything else.
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  8. abhibeckert

    abhibeckert Long timer

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    There's a paving stone street in my city (where cars must drive slow and pedestrians have right of way... basically the entire street is a zebra crossing), and this is identified as "paved" in the surface overview.

    However selecting avoid paved roads doesn't avoid the street (though it does tend to avoid the street naturally since the speed limit is lower).

    I suspect "avoid paved" is actually "avoid cobblestone" — that would be a more sensible surface to want to avoid especially for cyclists. I don't know of any cobblestone street to test it with though.

    Here's a list of commonly used surface types in the map data they're using: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:surface
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    It's not the best for me — I run hard compound knobbies. They're OK on dry asphalt but too much of it damages the tread pattern.

    They're borderline terrifying on wet asphalt — I feel like I'm riding on an oil slick. It's got to be more than just a lack of surface area, maybe the water cools the rubber making it effectively an even harder compound.

    I stick to gravel roads as much as possible. Much more grip.
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  10. plumer1kt

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    not for me too and i agree with all those symptoms but
    knobbies....an off road tire designed for OFF road use and not for use ON road....maybe not even DOT/ECE-R
    imagine all trucks ,cars and bikes on knobbies and all highways gravel...
    fuel economy,safe braking,less tire/suspension wear , comfort , speed , safety and much more would be on the negative side of the equation.
    i can't imagine autobahn (a road without speed limit ) without asphalt,wet or dry.
    or even the entire road system that is build for fast and safe riding for road vehicles and not adventure bikes with knobbies(at least in europe)
    you can always try a ON road tire when on asphalt.
    i do.
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  11. chrisjk

    chrisjk Been here awhile

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    As far as I can see, the site just uses the usual suspects - that is to say Open Street maps in various guises. They are as good or bad as the information people have put into them and specifically, in this case, the surface key and related keys (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:surface) . OSM users are encouraged to update/correct/improve maps and if you use a mobile phone app for navigation, there are some that facilitate input to OSM for this purpose.
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    Here in Australia we have major highways that are dirt, some of them approaching a thousand kilometres long and purpose built to be used by trucks almost 3x heavier than the weight limit of a European autobahn. And some of them also don't have any speed limits.

    You don't want "highway" tyres on something like this (fast forward 5 minutes in):



    Because of that, we're allowed to fit off road tyres and can use them anywhere. The only legal requirement is to have some tread so they don't aquaplane.

    Sometimes I do run road tyres on the bike, but then I have to switch tyres on the weekend to visit some of my favourite riding areas. So I usually just leave knobbies on the bike. They're only a problem in rain, so I just take the car on those days.

    As for being rated for "highway speeds" they're designed for racing. I'm not going as fast as anyone on a rally bike.
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  13. plumer1kt

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    that doesn't make a dirt road safer.we are talking different things...

    yesterday i had the same problem.
    now i can upload any track like this one
    Screenshot_2018-05-10_22-30-23.png
    pass the mouse pointer above the three bars on the left and see what happens
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