Other bikes that should exist

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by mridefellow, Sep 28, 2013.

  1. mridefellow

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    Yamaha has the Tenere. The other 3 of the "big 4" should come out with either an 800cc or 1200cc adventure-tourers.
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  2. rivers

    rivers Been here awhile

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    You mean something like this/these?


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    At least SOME of the "best" ideas or concept bikes have either never been available in the USA, or are no longer produced. Honda is good for that..... their best ideas and best bikes.... they just stop making them.

    You hear "hints" or talk at bike shows about bikes that "might" end up in our market, and typically they never reach us. The big Tenere the exception, but why not let us have a crack at the smaller bugger too?
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  5. danketchpel

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    They do exist but are not offered to the American market.

    The Honda & Suzuki models were pointed out, Kawasaki has the Versys 1000 in other markets including Canada.

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  6. danketchpel

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    Yup, for whatever reason the Japanese don't regard the USA as a good market for ADV bikes even though we probably have more adventure riding opportunities than most excepting Australia.

    Why Yamaha has never brought the smaller Tenere into the States is beyond me. Why Kawi chose not to bring in the Versys 1000 still baffles me.

    In all honesty though, I suspect the American buyers have been slow to adopt to ADV style bikes. "We" seem to buy cruisers and crotch rockets by the boat load but what about the rest of us???
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    For the life of me, I can't figure out why Honda doesn't import that 800 ADV bike (crosstour/runner?) Seems like everyone has an SUV, and the vast majority of these never go off road, so it seems like these types of bikes should do much better than they do.....?
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    +1

    Bingo, there is a close correlation between SUVs and ADV bikes. Many bought SUVs because they are comfortable and multi purpose much like an ADV bike. Even though many ADV bikes won't see RTW trips etc they are still far more comfortable to ride than most other bikes on the market these days and easier to mount useful luggage on. Try mounting useful luggage on a sport bike..... or taking your significant other riding with you. ADV bikes just plain make good sense for many reasons just like SUVs do.
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    :nod Yup, my 2008 Suzuki DL1000 is butt ugly, particularly with Pelican cases bolted to its flanks, but it's a Barca-Lounger on wheels.
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  10. The Rizz

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    Even these bikes mentioned are a little street oriented for my liking. It's like how Nissan made the new Pathfinder into a soccer mom vehicle. These are the motorcycle equivalent of the Pathfinder. Take them off-road and you're hosed. When is one of the big four going to make a dirt worthy ADV that isn't a thumper? Even a Versys motor in a KLR frame or as mentioned earlier, SV650 motor in DR650 frame. It can't be that hard!
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  11. John Ashman

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    The CrossRunner would be a nifty alternative to the VFR, though it really should be a shafty given how heavy it already is. Why quibble over a few lbs more? Without that, it would be up against the lighter and more capable Tiger twins.
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    I think it depends on your definition of dirt worthy. If you mean gnarly single track then I suppose, but less than that and I'd suspect you'd have more than a few Tenere owners, both past and present, single and twin, argue with you on how well their bikes work in the dirt.

    I do agree a lot of people would like to own something along these lines, I sure would. Quite a few companies offered mid size twin ADV style bikes in the past which seem so close to what many want now.

    Kawi made the KLE500 twin which was close, it just needs updating.

    Honda made the TransAlp 650 and Africa Twins in 650 and 750, and the XLV750R twin with shaft drive.

    Yamaha made the smaller Tenere 750 twin.

    Moto Guzzi made the NTX650 twin with shaft drive.

    Cagiva made the Elephant 650 twin.

    Moto Morini made the Camel 501 twin.

    So...... why don't they still make these type of bikes now ????
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  13. John Ashman

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    Because people talk shit ;)

    But, hey, things have changed. Honda made a lot of bikes that were WELL ahead of their time, then similar bikes came out later and sold well. Adventure bikes just weren't a thing in the US back then. Why do people even buy CBRs and R1s? Or cruisers. WTF knows. I view them as totally useless and yet people buy them left and right. People are fickle and stupid.

    I'm totally serious when saying I want a light twin DP bike, trail bike or scrambler. Or even a 350-450 single that isn't ridiculously expensive and made for racing. A stroked CR250L with a square motor would be just as cheap to build, yet would have a torquey 350cc engine. A CB500x with wire wheels and a tad more suspension wouldn't much if any more expensive than the CB500x. Maybe $6500. But would be a lot more inviting to me.

    The problem I see is that everyone is copying each other and not providing a truly wide choice of product. Every bike I see is only a few stupid tweaks away from being ideal to me. But I guess I'm totally unique in my tastes or something. I guess so since I bought a Sabre 700, a VT Ascot and a Hawk GT, all sales flops.
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  14. Plungerhead

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    It just dawned on me today that I need an affordable, two-up capable ADV bike. My girlfriend and I were tooling around on some paved back roads here in west TN on my 2013 CB1100.
    There were several roads we encountered that abruptly turned to gravel or a pebbly sand mix. The CB with a passenger is a bit squirrelly off the asphalt to say the least!
    We generally ride a couple hundred miles on a Sunday, sometimes more sometimes less. We just wanted to see where those unpaved roads would take us, but not on this CB. :1drink
    The Honda Crosstourer seems like a nice fit................now if I could just find one here in the US.
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  15. SLOco.moto

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    I was just thinking this the other day. My DRZ400sm has totally spoiled me for what I like in a street bike.

    I came back from a 250 mile day on my early SV650 totally disillusioned. I just don't get along with the riding position anymore. But damn! I love that little motor. It's the main reason I can't seem to get myself to part with the bike.

    I'll be sitting on some Stroms at the IMS this year to maybe be a garage mate to the DRZ, but funds even after selling the SV would still be too low.

    A DRSV650 is a nice dream though.
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  16. JTucker

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    It all comes down to what they know they can sell. I saw at least a couple hundred bikes while out riding today. Of those maybe a dozen were something other than a cruiser or bagger.
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  17. danketchpel

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    I hear ya, I simply can not fathom how popular cruiser/baggers/dressers are and "most" wear the HD badge. During our road trip to Colorado earlier this summer easiely 75% of the bikes we saw on the road were HD. I'm cool with people liking them and all, but where are all the other buyers? Am I a 1%'er?

    I can understand manufacturers building what sells, makes good biz sense to me. So is the problem we don't get offered the "other" bikes sold around the world because they in fact don't sell here, or are the companies just afraid they won't sell?
    I think there is some reality in both.

    I think we will see if the ADV market blossoms after the few have offered up some bikes. I do see that Super Teneres are sitting on the sales floor with "test ride me" signs on them, fairly non-typical for Japanese bikes for sure. ~2 yrs ago you had to put down $500 on a blind bet.

    BMW has proven they sell if they get the mix right. Moto Guzzi is selling most all of the Stelvios they bring in. I'm not sure how Triumph is doing with their Tigers & Explorers.

    I did my part to pump the market and bought a new Stelvio.

    I would very much like to trade my KLR in on a 650 twin version of it.... well with better suspension :rolleyes:
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  18. Kommando

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    DL1000

    Crosstourer or Varadero

    Versys 1000


    Now, not all of these are offered in the US, but they wouldn't appeal to somebody like me. I'd be more likely to want a 400-450lb DL650 with DR-Z400 suspension and wheels. A CB500X with a 21" front wheel and means to mount a skid would be nice.
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    SV650 engine in a DR650 frame, make it air cooled and give it a wide ratio 6 speed, I'd hit it.
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    Why?
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