Outboard boat motor???

Discussion in 'Some Assembly Required' started by rockland213, Feb 23, 2013.

  1. rockland213

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    Has anyone ever thought about building a bike with a outboard powerhead? 25-40HP They seem to be farly easy to find with bad lower units...and there not worth alot as boat motors.
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  2. 4play

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    II've seen them in midgets back in the day. Today, since water cooled motorcycle engines are more common & typically motorcycle engines are made even lighter & more compact than an outboard I don't think you'd find any advantage.
    What would you do for a transmission?
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  3. DirtyDog

    DirtyDog Lust for dust.

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    Another difficulty might be that they are designed with a vertical drive shaft. Might be more difficult to transfer that to a horizontal transmission.

    I'd love to see it tried though...:lurk
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  4. rockland213

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    Never thought about that. But after a little looking on-line they a pricey.

    scrach that idea .
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  5. rockland213

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    It wouldnt need to be vertical . You could just make a addapter to turn the carb. Its a 2 stroke so it can run on any angle
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  6. Highside>Lowside

    Highside>Lowside Hairier Than Thou

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    There was one that ran at Great Lakes Dragaway back in the 80s. Ran an OMC, IIRC. Much bigger than 25hp, however...
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  7. beachmike1

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    Unless the engine is very old it is loop scavenged and will have a broad power band. The main issues will be mounting and power transfer. The problems with power transfer are basic engineering issues. Suitable transmissions can be found on older British or even Indian built Enfields and Harley's and their clones which have mostly separate transmissions. These usually have couches too. The PTO of the engine will have to be modified to accept a chain or belt drive to match the transmission. This is not hard but is not cheap for a one of. Same with engine mounts.all of this is basically engineering and fab.
    As in the old commercial..if you have the time.......

    Machine shop time runs about ninety bucks and hour and they have to take you cad files and make machine files which is usually a two hr job. So if you can tube jockey the design you can get it made. And it will not be cheap. And you will get a poor running fuel hog engine that is not optimized for its application..but you may have fun.

    Lets face it. I made homemade bread, jam, marmalade and such. It is a hobby. Do I save money??? Only if my time and fruit are free.

    But I have fun.

    There is a dude that makes v twins based on Indian made Enfields. I think he sells them from 24k for a 44 hp bike. He sells a few a year. They are neat. He has fun. Australia I think.

    One big issue. You can't register it legally in the us.
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  8. Salsa

    Salsa Been here awhile

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    I saw an outboard powered 2 wheel vehicle. As I remember, It was a bicycle with the outboard sitting high enough for the drive wheel (in place of the propeller) could be pushed onto the front wheel.

    Good luck on your new wheels !!!!!!!!!!!!

    Don
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  9. FlySniper

    FlySniper Bleh...

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    Not an outboard, but do a search for the Tularis 800.
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  10. bk brkr baker

    bk brkr baker Long timer

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    This one is in a sidecar, but, Kim Newcombe raced a 500cc solo version with some sucsess.
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  11. Fishenough

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    Another factor not mentioned is that outboard motors are not designed with any type of air filtering system. It's not to dusty on a body of water, so there is no design consideration for a air filter.

    Those old 2 stroke mercs 6 cylinders had a fantastic, instant, power band; that on 2 wheels would be a blast
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  12. Frank from Quebec

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    You could also look at snowmobile motors, a 1000 twin or triple 2 stroke with about 160hp should be fun.
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  13. Owlseye

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    I'm not sure if it was common, but there were some roadrace bikes in the 70's pwered by 2 stroke outboard engines. There is one here in Edmonton that shows up occasionally in the vintage section of bike shows- sorry I can't recall who built it or owns it presently, but it was either an act of ingenuity or craziness, depending on your point of view. It had a monocoque frame (not tubular), used the engine as a stressed member, and if my (admittitly dim) memory serves, an Earles type front fork. I believe it did ok. I have no idea what he/they used as a transmission. I also recall some drag bikes with outboard based engines. Several others used snowmobile engines. Ah, the 70's. There was more to it than wide bottom plaid pants and platform shoes.

    Sounds like a project for that old Evinrude at the back of the shed:lol3.
    Good luck!
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  14. Salsa

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    In the late 50's or early 60's there was a 4 engined sports car. It had 2 Porsche engines front and rear with outboard motors driving the superchargers.

    Don
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  15. RedRaptor22

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    Anything is doable if you've got the time, the power density on a typical outboard engine is not that great though, I would look towards a snowmobile or jetski engine, usually more power per cc and already have the proper orientation...likely just as or even cheaper than an outboard.

    I'd thought of something like that running at torque-a-verter setup, or even an automatic atv transmission, would make a fairly interesting drag or short trip streetbike.

    I know an old man who pulled the worn out engine out of his old cb350 that had been sitting for the past 40 years and bolted in a p2 caterpillar diesel trash pump engine along with an torque-a-verter from a trencher or something, said it tops out at 70mph and gets about 120mpg lol.

    Anything is possible, it's all time and resources, I'd really like to build a street legal briggs powered bike, done quite a few dirtbikes with them, had a suzuki 50 that'd top out around 50 with an 8 horse briggs lol.
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  16. Beezer

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    heres a good use for a vertical shaft engine....

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    I built both craft with 4 stroke engines from riding mowers (from plans). if you don't mind the noise of a 2 stroke then more power & lighter weight are always a good thing.

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  17. anonny

    anonny What could go wrong?

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    Don't they get their cooling by taking in fresh water and exhausting it. another hurdle to get around.
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  18. panhead_dan

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    A closed cooling system wouldn't be that hard to imagine but the water pump on an outboard motor might be an issue. Transmission would be easy if you had room for a jack shaft - just use one from a snowmobile.
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  19. Pugsley/Hobbfather

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    Finally! you could power from the front, where high performance cars have been taking advantage of the front weight bias provided by their engine placement! Drive and Steer Where the Weight is!
    The outboard motor control replaces the right handgrip, and you can even maintain REVERSE GEAR!

    Think of the convenience of underseat storage, a blast of warm air straight to your faceshield in all weather conditions, and the ability to instantly smell diagnose any problems that may arise!

    Power your Scoot with Outboard Tech today!:clap
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  20. RedRaptor22

    RedRaptor22 Been here awhile

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    I'm imagining what your describing, I'm picturing some sort of funky fwd bmw lol.
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