Panoche/Tumey Hills - before April 15th

Discussion in 'West – California, the desert southwest and whatev' started by meat popsicle, Mar 22, 2010.

  1. wrk2surf

    wrk2surf on the gas or brakes

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    Meat I cant make ..I was gonna ride from my house and do a big day out tumey way to meet you guys but my wife took off to Austrailia and now have a 14yr old home on spring break.. sorry

    Michael
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  2. Gester

    Gester Master of my domain

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    SFMCjohn, thanks for the up-to-date info and inspiring photo! Consider my appetite duly whetted. In fact, it's soaked right now. :freaky Can't wait to check out the Plain. Hopefully I'll have some tasty pics of my own to post when we get back.
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  3. SFMCjohn

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    Thanks Gester! Looking forward to seeing your pics ... thinking about trying to get down to Carrizo on 4/10 for the Place's monthly BBQ ...

    Woodschick: Thanks for the photo/info on Rick Cooper ... I've been poking around the Blue Ribbon Coalition and BLM's websites, and may e-mail some polititian for an explanation ... talk about not holding your breath, ha!

    Anyway, I'm thinking about the rumor that they are simply locking the gate as an excuse to get back out there this year ... if I get seen by the BLM guy I'll just say that I heard at Mercy that they were going to lock Panoche permanenty, by bilding a much bigger gate and fence due to the ongoing trash problem ... that I just wanted 'one last look', happy childhood memories, etc., sniff, sniff, weep.

    I'm thinking that it would be hard for them to give me a ticked for "tearing up" an area that they are going to close permanently anyway ... ? Especially with my grey hair and staid KLR, if I stay on the established roads, which I do anyway ... Or that they'd be interested anymore in sending a message by giving a ticket, if they're simply locking it up for all vehicles soon?

    Oh, the BLM grants grazing rights permits that last 10 years ... another thought was to contact the company that is running the sheep there now ... offer to bring their employees care packages of cookies, etc, during their two week stint ...

    There are other permits on the BLM website, one of which is a "recreation permit" for a non-profit event for over 75 people ... the local BLM office has to respond in 48 hours or the permit is deemed granted ... this is a new permit, I'm sure it costs $$, but it was developed in response to a feeling that the recreational permit process had to be more transparent ... The FAQ on the permit makes interesting reading ... the local office has to give a reason in writing if it denies the permit and the "presumption" is that such permits should be granted ...

    Anyway, sorry ... blah, blah ... :cry

    Maybe I can get a grazing permit for one sheep next year ...? It would cost $1.35, IIRC ... Ha. :-)

    See you out there,
    -- SFMCjohn
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  4. SFMCjohn

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    Here is a link to my pal Kalle's pics from our recent expedition ... they give an idea of what the areas are like that the BLM wants to lock to all vehicles ...

    Sorry about the link, I'm an ADV pic doofus ... there are a bunch of pics of Carrizo in the middle, too ...

    http://kalle.com/photo_album/Bike_Rides/SFMC_03-28-2010/index.htm

    See you out there,
    -- SFMCjohn
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  5. Mudcat

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    Me too, I don’t think it is legal. Government keeps pushing the envelop of its power though. It takes litigation to stop them.
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    I see I need to make the ride to the Carrizo Plain. It looks to me like I could do this loop in a day but it would be a very long day for me.
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    Car camping, what is that? Could I pitch a tent? If I came into a campground late, there should not be a problem with me sleeping on a picnic table?
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  6. meat popsicle

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    sorry to hear you can't make it Michael - 2-up is probably not a good idea eh? :D

    john, thanks for the report and photos; I've altered our route for speed and refueling already:

    Google Map

    After Parkfield I put us on the speed route to the valley that will run us through McKittrick, but we may have to duck to Taft for fuel, then back to Hurricane Rd and across the plain (on map) or just thru Maricopa and up the hill (33) for the south entrance to the Plain. Can we cross the middle of the valley or too wet? :ear

    scottmac, we may be in late on Friday; can't leave SJ before noon I fear. Should be there before 9pm... PM me if you want contact info.

    some talk of local fuel and food here:
    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7933871#post7933871
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  7. meat popsicle

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    There are picnic tables at KCL. :wink:
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  8. Mudcat

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    Oh, what I am really asking is, how controlled is this area? But it doesn’t matter I need to go down and look at it.
    I like the route down and I can loop west of 101 on the way back perhaps.
    Anyway, later this month for me; you guys have fun
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  9. scottmac

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    Take a look at that campsite on Google Earth. It's pretty darn remote!:rofl
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  10. meat popsicle

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    Remote, and open: there are no fees for camping.

    Gathering my crap; loading up; getting ready...
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  11. Bob

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    Have a good safe trip and remember take lots of pics.
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    Hi MP,

    I'm sure you're on your way by now ... sorry for the late reply ...

    Anyway, the road that goes across the valley at the bottom of Hurricane is [was] dry, as of Sunday - Monday ... [San Diego Creek/Soda Lake/Paradise Drive] ... at Soda Lake Road, after crossing the valley heading west, turn left for KLC campground ... [trun right for Selby]... we found that eveywhere we went was dry last week ...

    Have fun!
    -- SFMCjohn

    PS: Hi Mudcat: the Carrizo Plain people call "car camping" setting up anywhere besides the established campgrounds at KLC and Selby ... generally you can camp in the foothills and ridges above the valleys ... It's much easier to meet people at one of the two campgrounds, though ...
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    Hi John, thanks for the info.
    I have not been south of hwy’s 41/46 on my bike. The Davis Rd./Bitterwater ride looks good to me and there are a bunch of interesting roads on my maps heading towards Indian Valley/Peachtree from the Carrizo Plain. Looks like a really fun ride for me.
    I’ll probably only spend ½ day exploring the Carrizo area and camping late but I appreciate your advice
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  14. SFMCjohn

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    Hi Mudcat,

    I really enjoy Peachtree and Davis/Bitterwater ... the flowers along Bitterwater were super-nice recently ... the Elkhorn Road side of the Carrizo is fun to explore when I only have half a day or we're only riding through ... that's the more dual sport side, I think ...

    Have fun!
    -- SFMCjohn
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  15. Mudcat

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    Thanks John, I’ll check that out for sure.
    I am on an R1200GS which is a pretty stupid dirt bike I think. And I don’t run knobbies, no 21 inch front wheel, so, when I get into soft terrain it wants to have its way with me. I just have to go slow then.
    This is a fun bike I have but I don’t see myself going for a day of dirt riding anywhere unless I am traveling and that is what is there. The bike will go through and, in the end; I’ll have fun doing it.:deal :D
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  16. scottmac

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    Back home safe and just unpacked the bike from our trip.
    A BIG thanks to Meat, Gester and osakibill for making this
    ride happen, a really great group of guys.

    Just looking at my logs and doing a little rough calculating
    it looks like we did over 800 miles in 3 days. Bay area to
    Carrizo Plains, NM and then further south into Los Padres
    Ntl Forest. Santa Cruz, Monterey, San Benito, Fresno,
    Kern, San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara Counties!!!!:huh

    The wildflowers were beautiful and I've got a couple hundred
    pictures to upload and edit. I'll be posting them up here soon
    and will probably do so in a ride report.
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  17. Bob

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    Glad you had a good trip!
    I went down yesterday and checked out all the flowers and people. I saw 2 D/S bike heading north on Soda Lake Rd. while I was up at the overlook. I figured you guys were out riding so I didn't stop by.
    I did 160 miles from Paso to Paso on back roads and dirt, if I stayed any longer I would have had to continue south or east to find fuel.
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  18. Bob

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    Hey SFMCJohn, Yesterday I noticed the old General Store at Bitterwater and Annette Rd finally collapsed. I was there a couple of weeks ago and it was really leaning.
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    Hey H2o ... I was sorry to see that store down a week ago ... looked like it dropped straight down just leaving the roof! Don't know why it never occures to me to stop and take photos of places like that (before and after the collapse) ...

    scottmac: Thinking of you guys today as the rain pelted down here in the afternoon ... hope it held off down south ... looking forward to pics/trip report! :-) 800 miles and 7 counties ... epic! Way to go, everyone ... sorry I missed it ...

    -- SFMCjohn