Pave the Dempster?!?!?

Discussion in 'Canada' started by ABADV, Mar 13, 2013.

  1. Everett49

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    Any estimates on when the road will be completed?
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  2. 250senuf

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    I'd give it a few years. It's going to take MANY loads of rock and gravel before any pavement can be put over the muskeg. The work season is short even if they can take advantage of the long summer days. Rock and gravel are scarce.
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  3. willys

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    If they start this, it'll be almost impossible to ride the Dempster with all of the truck traffic and graders constantly fixing the surface. There is plenty of gravel on the Dempster lower down, but I'm not sure we would appreciate them leveling the scenery. It would also stop any desire to ride the American road up to Prudeau Bay....if we had a road that got us to the Arctic Ocean. But......would they also do the same crap and bus us to the water line? Would there be just a refinery at the end stopping us from getting to the actual end of the highway? I hope not!
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  4. jdrocks

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    a wild guess without seeing a section of the proposed route, but knowing how the road needs to be built over permafrost, let's say they would be looking for 20,000,000MT of shot rock and crushed stone...+/- a few MT. all the quarries would have to be above the Mackenzie, and that whole section above the river up to Inuvik would be one long construction zone filled with bomber body/heavy haul trucks and road maintenance equipment. the Dempster from the Mackenzie down to Dempster Corner would be clogged with support vehicles in transit. if you divide any number even close to 20M by the average truck capacity in MT, that's a lot of truck traffic.

    the Deh Cho, G'wichen, and Inuvialuit First Nations will need a bigger bank.

    if you want to see a wild west atmosphere, get up there after they start the new road.
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  5. willys

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    Damn! This year may be the best time to do it again before the circus starts!
    I bet it will be years before it settles down to where it is now, maybe decades!
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  6. GrizzLee

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  7. willys

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    I think it is because of the scenery and solitude plus the wildlife along it. Then you have the location and destination. The furthest you can ride or drive in Canada. The thrill is the conditions you meet along the way....it is never the same ride, well the two times I have been one it any way.
    Then I almost forgot....the distance or length of gravel with almost zero services along it's length.

    What's not to love!

    Sure there are more scenic roads but not as long or remote. There may be more difficult roads to ride....but the Dempster has it's own wild side that can jump up and bite you in the ass if you're not paying attention.
    It's an adventure for sure....you can easily be in serious trouble if something goes bad......it's not a road to take for granted.

    Can't wait to go back before all hell breaks loose!

    But I would also love to get to the water after it's finished!
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  8. GrizzLee

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    Yep, there is a reason I vacationed up in the Yukon there for 4 months in 2007. We spent an immense amount of time on/along the Dempster, taking looong over night pack trips off the main road in the midnight sun.. and the bugs :puke1. No comparison at all on any road in North America I've ever experienced. Yes, the road from Tuk has already begun a couple or more years ago. I saw it from the air and have pictures of it. They want to extract natural resources up there and possibly run a pipeline along the Dempster. Several wells have already been made and capped off, just waiting for extraction.

    I've been going back every year since. To paddle and hike. Somemday, I'll ride my bike there, some day.... Maybe when the road opens, before the pipeline is built.
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  9. willys

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    Can you post some pics....thanks
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  10. GrizzLee

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    Pics of the road from Tuk?

    Sure. This is what I have posted at the moment.

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    I don't have much of the road posted on my blog, but you can see some of it here in the background in this pic (click to enlarge) behind the Pingo. I will have to dig through my photo libray to find more pics of the road to Inuvik.

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    Tuk as we approach by plane.

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    Qoute from my blog
    "As we fly out, we see that oil exploration has begun. The pressures of the modern world are set to change this corner of the world dramatically. Locals are talking of pipelines, oil jobs and they started to build an all season road through the delta to connect up to the Dempster Hwy."


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    "As we lift off, we see a floating oil drilling platform sitting in the bay."

    See more of our 2011 Expedition here:
    http://rubikonadventures.blogspot.com/2011/07/rubikon-advenutre-quest-2011-edge-of.html

    From the same northern expedition.
    Best campsite on the planet :evil (Kluane Park on the Donjek Route):
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    Select to enlarge (see out tents).

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    Friendly natives we met on the Tundra.


    A video log of the trekking trip (10 days of tundra and bushwacking hell. And yes, I'd do it again :wink:).

    <IFRAME height=315 src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/I-MFPvE65m0" frameBorder=0 width=560 allowfullscreen></IFRAME>
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  11. aquadog

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    Got that right. There's a reason the campground at Rock Creek is so overgrown...no one can stand the bugs. Winter is good.
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  12. Deadly99

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  13. wadeeb

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    There are 870 people living in Tuktoyaktuk. I live in Inuvik. The road is being built to extract oil. Anything else you hear is whitewash. It will only generate 20 permanent jobs in the area and mostly benefit the large oil companies who want to haul goods overland.
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  14. wadeeb

    wadeeb n00b with a dream

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    I have lived in Inuvik since 2009. IMO the Dempster cannot be paved. The constant state of flux the ground is in due to the heaving permafrost would just crack it apart. If you are in Inuvik the road from town to the airport is an example of this. Its a friggin roller coaster ride and I actually find it worse than the Dempster.

    There is however an all season road being built to Tuktoyaktuk. This will benefit the oil companies but is being marketed as "Arctic Sovereignty" and "linking Canada Ocean to Ocean" etc.. only around 20 permanent jobs will be created. The road is being built right now as we speak but can only be done in winter so the focus at the moment is to clean up and widen the road from Tuk to the gravel source to prepare for next winter.
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  15. triplenickel

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    Where did this number come from? I can guarantee you there will be alot more people employed than that if there's gonna be an energy industry there.
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  16. wadeeb

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    That number is based on just the road project. It will generate about 20 permanent jobs to maintain it once the construction is complete.

    There will be lots of jobs if the oil comes back but the vast majority are people flown in from down south. The local workforce here just does not the skill set or work ethic to qualify.
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  17. triplenickel

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    OK gotcha, I'm with ya.
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