1. wbbnm

    wbbnm Long timer

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    A lot of the MVUMs are not that great of a map. One would be hardpressed to look at one and then go find a trail or road.

    This makes for a nice excuse if caught. I recommend carrying the map with you and if caught pull it out and say "Gee I thought I was on this legal road".

    We ride a lot in the Santa Fe National Forest. There are no markings whatsoever on roads and trails saying that they are open or closed. You are supposed to have and understand the map.

    Theoretically the first year or two of the Travel Management process is supposed to be an Informational Period where LEOs are only supposed to warn you if you are on an illegal road.
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  2. pcvance

    pcvance Walk Verplank

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    ^^^:nod
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  3. ballisticexchris

    ballisticexchris Long timer

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    Just do what I do and ride. Don't worry about it. Not a big deal. I ride where I want year round anywhere I pay taxes on. Exception would be fenced off stuff and private property. Of course my bikes are quiet and I'm polite to hikers, mountain bikers, and people on horseback.
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  4. Hop-Sing

    Hop-Sing Been here awhile

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    1brunoj Asks ,

    "What are the penalties"

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    USFS standard ticket is $175.

    So what are you all talking still about. That is nothing compared to 80 in a 25. and I don't get points. So its cheaper than a day out on the twisties, and safer.
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  5. Emperor Norton

    Emperor Norton Kilroy was here

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    Miss the other post about the up to $5k + jail time penalty?
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  6. pcvance

    pcvance Walk Verplank

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    The Emperor has spoken...:norton has anyone ever been charged for this? 5K + jail?

    No one I know has. I've heard bikes could be impounded too? Is it true?:ear

    The Feds can do anything they want to I suppose.
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  7. ballisticexchris

    ballisticexchris Long timer

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    It's all rumor, scare tactics, and paranoia. The feds can do pretty much anything they want. Picking on bike riders is not one of them. OTOH, Asswipes who chop through fences, makes a lot of noise, and ignores do not enter/no trespassing signs get what they deserve.

    Hell I just saw a post over at TT a few weeks back bragging of a "secret hillcimb". All the guys were gathered around a chopped up fence hiding like pussies behind their helmets. To me that's a legitimate excuse to impound the bikes and put the perpetrators in jail.
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  8. Jeff aka BOLT

    Jeff aka BOLT Prefer Saturdays

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    I asked the SBNF about that... they said it is bragged about in the Sequoia NF but that they don't do it cause they don't believe it's enforceable. :deal

    $175 unless you are caught red handed poaching in Wilderness Area... then it gets uglier.
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  9. ballisticexchris

    ballisticexchris Long timer

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    I don't hunt without a license so all is good! :deal
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  10. ballisticexchris

    ballisticexchris Long timer

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    Same comments you get when riding all the cool mountain bike trails near Snow summit in Big Bear. Last few seasons I have been riding them with no issues at all. Pretty fun actually. Perfectly legal. No signs restricting motorcycles.
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  11. 2 SPOT

    2 SPOT wannabe

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    we have quite a few single track trails round here that are hike/bike/horse/moto. it took a while and some folks still dont think motos should be there, but as long as your respectful everyone seems to play nice.
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  12. ballisticexchris

    ballisticexchris Long timer

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    That's the same experience I have had over the years.
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