Personal diesel truck

Discussion in 'Shiny Things' started by Tallbastid, Feb 19, 2013.

  1. PirateJohn

    PirateJohn Banned

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    I am not an expert on pickups but I drove a friend's Dodge that had turned 200K and was surprised at how well it ran and how well maintained the interior and steering was.

    People say that those recent Fords have better bodies than the Dodges but probably anything over 45 miles seems to be too much for the Navistar-built engines in them.


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  2. boardrider247

    boardrider247 Weekend Anarchist

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    It all depends on how well they are maintained. But plan on anything over 150k needing a front end before 200k. The body on my dodge was going to hell as well, door hinges were shot, front seat was getting tired, little things like that. Drivetrain was still solid but everything else was slowly falling apart around it.
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  3. SantaRosa

    SantaRosa I'd rather be lost

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    Transmission is a big issue as well as a clutch. You never know how much it's pulled or driven. Normally people buy these trucks as work horses. Older trucks require a lot of Repair or Replace even if the engine is strong. Resale is not so good since you would be dumping money into maintaining it.

    I have an F350 2001 7.3l Automatic Dually, a work truck with a 4.11 rear end. At 150k I put $4200 on the tranny being rebuilt and an additional Transmission Cooler.
    $6500 on Banks setup ( their tuners suck ) exhaust brake is awesome but there is better out there.
    $650 on a better tuner
    $1800 on new front end with actual greece zerks and brakes
    $1600 on tires ( front tires are replace all too often )
    For that kind of money I could of bought another truck but I know what it has and am confident when a pull a big load (7 k loaded trailer) or carrying my cab over camper that is over 4k dry PRICELESS
    Oh not to forget 12 mpg, loaded or not
    Want good mileage get a pickup not a truck
    A truck is not comfortable like a pickup can be.
    A truck is not quite like a pickup can be.
    A truck is not a go fast rig (unless you modify it and it is no longer a truck)

    Just saying, unless you have specific needs of a truck stick to a pickup.
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  4. Hardware02

    Hardware02 Long timer

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    A diesel pick-up to me is like a Jeep. At some point in your life you need to own one, if only to get it out of your system...:D
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  5. blacktruck

    blacktruck Wanderer

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    Okay, here's mine.
    A truck is a tool in most cases. Buy the best tool you can afford and the one that best fits your hand (so to speak). If money is not a concern, buy exactly what you want to drive. If you're like the rest of us, find one that you like because you will probably keep it for awhile. Diesel versus gas? There are limitations and issues with both. I'm new to the forum but a long time diesel owner and driver. I wouldn't be without one in my garage but if it were asked, is it practical? My answer would be hell no. Not for what I use it for now but I won't get rid of it because I like it. Diesels typically last longer than gas engines but the engine is only a small part of the total truck. There's a butt load of other expensive parts that wear and break with no regard to what you want to do. Keep your mind and options open when you are looking. Don't buy a truck just because it's a diesel. Consider the big picture. What do you want? What do you need? What can you afford? Let those be your deciding factors and not vague opinions of one brand or year versus another. They all have to be a little good or they wouldn't have sold so many of them.
    End of opinionated rant now. I'm done.
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  6. Tallbastid

    Tallbastid Let's get tropical

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    Yeah, minds made up against the diesel. They're cool but not for me and what I need.

    Brand new Tacoma and brand new wrx are within a couple hundred bucks of each other, now to decide.
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  7. blacktruck

    blacktruck Wanderer

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    No experience with either but they both look nice. Buying a vehicle is a pain usually :deal so now you just need to get whatever you decide and enjoy...
    Drive safe man.....:clap
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  8. slackmeyer

    slackmeyer Don't mean sheeit. .

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    I do have to say, the price i paid for my 99 ford diesel and my 02 wrx together was $12.5, still in your budget. . . . . of course, if you include the maintenance/repairs I put in them in the few months after I bought them, i'd have to say it ended up around $16k.
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  9. Tallbastid

    Tallbastid Let's get tropical

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    @Slackmeyer: I hear you - I've driven old vehicles since I got my license 11 years ago. Buying used is a crapshoot, any way you look at it, and I've taken some big hits in the past with bikes, a truck and a boat. I detest buying and selling anything, so I'd really like to buy new, know it's reliable and keep it for the next 5-10 years, long after it's paid off. It's going to be hard leaving my Jeep though, I love it like a dog and every time I drive it recently I remember why I bought one.

    @Blacktruck: Thanks man! I'll post a picture when I get it. I think it'll come down to insurance costs between the two, everything else is a wash.
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  10. slackmeyer

    slackmeyer Don't mean sheeit. .

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    Yeah, I just thought I'd put it out there. I think you're making the right choice, unless you're planning on a side job hauling hay or recycling scrap steel.
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  11. ivel_86

    ivel_86 Chair Ranger

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    But they are so much fun to drive and smell awesome starting them up in the morning.

    [​IMG]
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  12. mud

    mud I just wander.....

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    Alright.
    Someone please explain to me what is "fun" about driving a full sized diesel, or any full sized PU for that matter?

    I find them very tedious.

    I suppose this probably falls under the "if you have to ask" category.....:lol3
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  13. Tallbastid

    Tallbastid Let's get tropical

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    My experience has been with regular cap dump body Duramax's (brand new at the time)... they used to break the dual rear wheels loose on dry pavement when they weren't loaded, and listening to a halfway spooled turbo whistling down the highway was heavenly. The engine didn't feel hills, and it's really no different than driving an F150/1500 except for more power than you realistically need in a DD truck. :evil My favorite was litterally pulling a tree out of the ground after a hurricane. 4x4LO, dry pavement and all six wheels hopping a bit. We loaded the bed with a pallet of brick and yanked that sucker out of the ground on the next go. Second favorite story was my then boss, a volunteer firefighter and great guy, told of a story where they showed up to a fire, and a Jeep was parked in a way that made accessing the hydrant impossible. He got in his duramax, 4LO and pushed the Jeep out of the way while it was in park.

    That being said, a stock WRX goes for the same price as a 5-10 year old diesel with ~100k on the clock, and I'd guess it accelerates faster out of the box quite a bit faster than a lot of mildly modded diesels. It also corners on rails, brakes better, has more dry cargo room and is more fun in the snow and willcome with a factory warranty. Hence, the local Subie dealer and I are now on first name basis. :D
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  14. Sasquatch2112

    Sasquatch2112 scatology expert

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    The '01 dodges with a banks package on them are anything but stealthy. My wife knows if I am within a block of the house. :eek1

    2500 ext cab, AT, Banks package, Air bag suspension, 4X4, 3.55 gears
    Complete front end rebuilt at 150K miles $3k
    Tranny completely rebuilt at 110K $6K, custom torque converter to withstand added torque
    Around town 15mpg, I am quick off the lights
    On the road ~20mpg, at 70++ mph

    Towing trailers;
    17K lbs 36' Alfa 5er ------ 10 mpg, truck way over loaded. Going down the freeway at 70 no problem. Stopping :eek1 :eek1
    8.5K lb bumper pull trailer, two quads on the bed of the truck ------- 12.5 mpg No issues starting, stopping or general riding.
    4K lb utility trailer, camping gear on tonneau cover. 20 mpg, no issues, truck rode like it was empty pulled up and down hills without a thought to the load
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  15. blacktruck

    blacktruck Wanderer

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    I would never admit that publicly and I know nobody would ever read what I post here but I agree completely. When I start my truck to move it out of the garage, it smells far better than the exhaust from the car. Hadn't even thought of that until I saw it here. Funny the things that make us remember.
    Gotta agree with your last line but just because I'm here and it doesn't cost anything, I'll give you my take on it. Realistically I could get by with a small truck except for needing a gooseneck hitch on occasion. My son has a small truck. I don't like it. My crewcab is far more comfortable to drive and ride in and for the size of the truck, it rides pretty good. Mileage is okay and the power and sound of the Dmax with straight pipes makes me want to just go riding around some days just because I can. I'm not one of those people who delight in blowing smoke on anybody but I do like the sound of a good exhaust system. Bottom line is that I enjoy it. I've been in a lot of countries where the norm for vehicles is far different than what we as Americans are used to. I'll take my living to excess, oversized man toy any day.
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  16. Big Bird 928

    Big Bird 928 Long timer

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    My dog starts going nuts when I am about a mile out from the house... :D
    I just can't sneak home at all.
    My results are very similar to yours with a comperable 01 Dodge Cummins.
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  17. Gummee!

    Gummee! That's MR. Toothless

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    Personal opinion: let some other sucker take the depreciation hit and buy 3-5+ years old.

    Pay cash if you can help it, but I understand not being able to. :nod

    As a comparison, my F150 extended cab, stepside, 5.4l got 14-17mpg around town and low 20s on road trips if I kept it under 75mph or so.

    My F250 PSD got 14-17mpg around town and low 20s if I kept it under 65mph. If I'd gotten around to changing out the rear end to some more highway friendly ratios, I would have done better on the freeway.

    The biggest difference showed up towing. I towed a roommate's boat back to Sandy Eggo from Yuma and got 8mpg. Towed my GF's Camero (:D) around with all our worldly goods in the truck, the car, and had my GS-Adv in the bed and got between 10 and 14mpg at the same 65mph.

    JRA* in a diesel? Overkill. Towing/working with a diesel. :thumb

    Having said that, its better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it. :nod

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    *Just Riding Around
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  18. adam_c_eckhardt

    adam_c_eckhardt halfway there

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    I've owned both and miss the Tacoma far more than I miss the WRX. There was lots to like about the WRX; very fun car when you push the go pedal. Goes anywhere in bad weather. But it didn't get much better mileage than my Tacoma:huh and it shifted like a truck. Squeaks and rattles everywhere. Felt like a tin can. Windows whistled. I've heard the newer ones are more refined and if I was in the market I'd consider one.

    I didn't mind the Tacoma riding and shifting like a truck because it was a truck. I drove it cross country several times and used it as a camper many times. If I was smart I'd still have it.
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  19. Tallbastid

    Tallbastid Let's get tropical

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    Yeah decided today I'm going with the truck. I have been looking at cpo trucks as well, thing is with taco as they hardly depreciate, so buying slightly used doesn't save a whole lot. I have given thought to keeping the jeep and buying an older 2wd truck as a dd, but id rather maintain bikes than trucks.

    Well see, I'm over this buying crap, ready to have it already and get back to obsessing over bikes.
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  20. mud

    mud I just wander.....

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    Oh, don't get me wrong. I LOVE diesels, just not the trucks they are in here.....
    Give me a Toyota Highlux with a diesel and I am a happy man, driving my brothers F350 on the otherhand? No thanks.:puke1
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