Photo Radar

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by 390beretta, Mar 5, 2014.

  1. 390beretta

    390beretta Long timer

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    My wife got nabbed by photo radar the other day, in her car. (allegedly running a red light, which she claims she didn't do...that she may have gone thru on a yellow) No doubt it's her car, good photo of her driving. The notice came in the regular mail and asked her to fess up and pay a fine with a mild warning that if she didn't there might be an additional penalty.

    She asked a friend who is a police officer and works for the jurisdiction that issued the ticket, his advice was to "just throw it away" He said that if it wasn't delivered by a LEO or an officer of the court, it's invalid and you don't even have to respond.

    What do you all think? Any experience you can share? Thanks
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  2. GSAragazzi

    GSAragazzi Long timer

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    Where I live the citation comes with a picture of the "offense". Officers sit in a room and make the call if you did or did not run a light. The formula is: if your car is half way thru the intersection then NO ticket. Look at it and you can contest. Also if there is a car riding the bumper of your wife's car yiu could make the case that she couldn't stop bc of of it (accident).
    IMHO I would just pay it tho. There are ways it could bite you at the end if you ignore it. The worst would be ending in jail for an unpaid ticket. Yearly I see a warrant roundup another -done where I live- is blocking your ability to register your car (pay taxes) when there is an outstanding ticket or toll charge.
    I would pay to keep peace of mind, btw if you do pay it make sure you document it. Get a receipt, copy of the check or transaction if its online and save the screen image as a PDF for at least 2 yrs.
    Good luck
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    You can use this to your advantage when wifey gives you the dreaded "list" :deal
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  3. tkent02

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    Just throw it away.
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  4. eric1514

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    I got a speeding ticket from a roadside camera in Phoenix once. I ignored it for the reason you cited. That was years ago. I've had dealings with the MVD and there seems to be no record of the ticket on file.
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  5. randyo

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    where are you ?

    laws are different everywhere

    would you ignore a parking ticket where you live ?
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  6. Swashbuckler

    Swashbuckler Been here awhile

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    We have camera cars everywhere. One sits at the bottom of a 25mph hill and has picked me up a few times. I just throw them away. Until someone physically serves me, either in person, or I sign for it from UPS or Fedex, then they have no way of proving I ever received the ticket. But i'm not even the slightest bit worried that they'll come to my door when they are already making millions from other terrified people.
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  7. davidji

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  8. birds

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    There is a lot of guidance about this stuff online. In lots of states you can just throw it away. If only there was an expert who you could ask for your jurisdiction...
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  9. cycleman2

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    It all depends on what your state or provincial legislation has to say about photo radar and the service of tickets. Where I live you get them in the mail, you can go to court and contest it if you want, but you can't just throw it away. Eventually they will catch up to me. So I just pay them.
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  10. woofer2609

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    Not to be a killjoy, but have you asked your wife why she thinks it's ok to blow through a yellow or orange/red light? As a m/c, this is probably the greatest danger you face along with distracted drivers. Yellow still means stop.
    Preach over. Since the ticket was not sent registered mail, wait to see if it shows up on record before paying it. In BC tickets always show up at the post office and hsve to be signed for, however the clerk cannot show you the envelope before it arrives. Smart.
    Alternately, just pay it and clear your karmic ledger.
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  11. tkent02

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    No, it actually doesn't. The laws are different everywhere, but in most places you can't enter an intersection after it's turned red. Once you are in the intersection it can change all it want's to, you are legal. The only riders endangered are the ones who take off without looking the instant the light turns green. Green doesn't mean go, it means go if it's safe to do so.

    Panic stopping at the first sign of yellow will get you rear ended. I stopped for a yellow light too short in front of a cop once, he was pissed. He was planning on rolling through like a normal person, I made him slam on his brakes, he didn't like that much.
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  12. SgtDuster

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    This.

    Let her pay the ticket by herself so she'll learn that actions = consequences.


    So maybe next time she'll think about it twice before running a red light, which is a very dangerous move for her and every other users around.


    It's how it works with children.



    Wait...she's an adult? OK...then act as one!


    Pay the damn ticket!

    Unless she's absolutely sure she didn't run a light, that the light turned yellow just as she was crossing the intersection or very close to it. Then contest it. But whatever your laws say, you can't just toss it away and do like it never ever existed.
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  13. KirkN

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    That's how it is around here. Here, when you get a red-light running ticket in the mail, the accompanying picture (and an included link to the actual video, including slo-mo, of the event) clearly shows you not-yet-entered in the intersection with the light red. Boom - ticket for you. If you're IN the intersection when it turns red, no ticket. I suspect the OP's photo shows her NOT YET IN the intersection, despite her protestations that she didn't run it. Again, around here, the proof was very conclusive (son got one...)

    OTOH, that cop can be pissed all he wants, but he couldn't write you a ticket for it. Well, he could, but he'd lose if you took it to court.
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  14. Yossarian™

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    A parking ticket is not equivalent to a moving violation.
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  15. tick-tock

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    In my area (metro-Atlanta), some of the jurisdictions have set this scam up so that it is a civil penalty not a criminal one. The good news is that it won't go on your driving record but the bad news is that, if you don't pay it, they will send the bill to collections. Paying a small fine is better than having a ding on your credit report.
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  16. MotoTex

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    I got one of those recently as well. I was coming up to the intersection as traffic was pulling away from a light. As I rolled up behind a semi the light was obscured. By the time I saw it again I was in the intersection.

    Looking into the matter I was ready to fight it. Then came to find that it is no more a legal process than any other scammer sending a bogus bill in the mail.

    Because the letter is not a summons, nor is it issued under the court system, it is essentially a scam perpetrated by the manufacturers of the cameras with revenue shared with the city that allows this foolishness.

    The folks sending these don't have a legal leg to stand on and depend upon the sheeple knee-jerking out of ignorance of due process and paying the thing.

    The mere fact that it was titled from a city in Texas, with a return address in Arizona and a billing address in Ohio was enough to convince me to just toss it.

    Make it a real court matter, then we'll talk.

    Many cities have outlawed this revenue stream and all should follow their lead.

    Sgt Duster probably won't like this stance. Apologies in advance. :lol3
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  17. MotoTex

    MotoTex Miles of Smiles

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    From what I have read this is not the case. The credit agencies won't care.

    I also read how in some states these douchebags have arranged via statute to prevent online registration renewal if the matter isn't settled, but often you can still snail-mail the registration renewal, or walk into the courthouse and renew your registration. So, it really isn't much of a deterrent.
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  18. Wlfman

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    If it didn't come from the courts - Toss it. How can they PROVE you received it to begin with?
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  19. randyo

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    again, that depends on the jurisdiction
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  20. randyo

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    correct, laws are different, in my state, it means stop IF you can

    and everywhere, it most certainly doesn't mean step on the gas to beat the light, like most people do
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