Photobucket have started to charge for third party posting.

Discussion in 'Ask Baldy, Blame AceRph' started by El Ponkin, Jun 30, 2017.

  1. DRONE

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    I don't know if you have a Free account and if that's different from a Plus account, but with a Plus account when you open an album to page 1 of that album on the right side of the page is a heading that says "ACTIONS" and under there it list a bunch of clickable actions--

    Create sub-album
    Order prints
    Upload to album
    Print canvas decor
    Edit settings
    Create photo book
    Download album
    Delete album
    Move album
    Just now I tried it and it took me through a series of clicks then . . . nothing. I would guess their servers are overloaded with people trying to download?

    I have 4000 images on PB in 189 separate albums, but the bulk of my images I store locally. The only images I uploaded to PB are the ones that are hotlinked in forum posts. So, for me, there's no reason to download my albums. What I need to do from now until Dec 2018 is Step 1. find a new host; Step 2. create 189 albums at the new host; Step 3. repopulate the 189 albums with my 4000 images; then Step 4. (the impossible) change the image hotlinks in every post I've ever posted on ADV or elsewhere.

    Since Step 4 is just not possible, I've resigned myself to simply start over with a new host. All my picture posts from before will simply cease to exist after Dec 2018.
  2. 1coolbanana

    1coolbanana Long timer

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    A PLUS account is a paid subscription.
  3. JimVonBaden

    JimVonBaden "Cool" Aid!

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    Same here. I will repopulate on a post by post basis if there are posts on one of my threads, or people ask.
  4. BigT

    BigT Been here awhile

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    I was hoping this would be the case because I was using very little of my storage limit (less than 25%), but I too got the extortion letter, so I transferred all my photos to my laptop and closed my account.... Fuckers!

    I've been using PB to post photos all over the place for the last 10+ years, and now this BS? I hope they go out of business! :hung
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  5. DRONE

    DRONE Dog Chauffeur

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    I bet they won't. Here's an anecdote.

    My barber was a young kid (26), owned his own one-chair shop, extremely busy, did a nice job, and only charged $9. Complained to me about how hard he worked and he didn't have any time to spend with his wife and kids. I suggested he increase his price to $12. He said, "No way! I can't afford it. I'll lose too many customers!" I said "How many customers will you lose?" He said "2 out of 10." So I said, "That's great! You can reduce your hours by 20% but your income will go up." He looked at me like I was nuts. I then showed him the math on a piece of paper. He was astonished (though, clearly not a math wiz.) This was several years ago. He now charges $15, drives a new Dodge Charger, recently renovated his kitchen, and takes Sundays and Mondays off. And I still have to wait in line almost every time I drop in there.

    I expect the many business customers that use PB will gladly pay the $400 annual fee which for most of them is practically nothing. For a small business with $100,000 gross revenue, it's 4/10's of one percent. While all the small customers will fall away, PB will end up hosting 90% fewer images while their gross revenue will actually go up. Not saying that I applaud them, just saying that's probably what the shake-out will be.
  6. JimVonBaden

    JimVonBaden "Cool" Aid!

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    I think you are over estimating how many will pay ransom for their photos when there are much cheaper and more reliable services out there. I only know one person who paid, and they are not sure they will do it again next year, if PB is still around.
  7. DRONE

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    Consider the business math. According to PB, about 75 percent of their total costs come from hosting "free account" pics on 3rd-party websites, and gets close to no revenue from those users because nobody clicks on the ads. Get rid of those users and your costs go down 75%! Sort of a no-brainer. That leaves them with 25 million or so users who've been paying $25/year generating $625 million yearly revenue. If they lose 90% of their paying customers, that leaves them with 2.5 million customers paying $400/year which generates $800 million yearly revenue. That's a 28% boost in revenue with a 75% reduction in overhead, which would be like a HUGE windfall on their bottom line!

    If you own an internet-based business selling stuff on Amazon or eBay and using PB as your picture host then, if you can't afford to pay PB $33/month, then maybe you don't have a viable business plan. The key question, of course, is--how are their competitors going to respond and then how many customers is PB going to retain? I'm not sure what their breakeven point is, but it's certainly way fewer than 2.5 million paying customers.

    If it was me in charge of PB, I think I would have discontinued the "free" accounts, then made the cheapest hotlinking account $39.99/year. This would still cause costs to go down 75%, and if they lost 20% of the paying customers they would still see revenues grow to $800 million and (and this is a big "AND") they would not have incentivized their competitors since it would be much harder to beat PB's services at $3/month than at $33/month.

    Only time will tell. You might end up being right, but I think a lot will depend on what the competition is able to offer to the 25 million paying customers.
    As for the "free" customers, nobody is going to go to battle for them. :turkish
  8. JimVonBaden

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    I don't disagree that the smart thing to do was to eliminate the free accounts. However, long ago PB limited bandwidth so that using it to host business photos (do people really do that? I don't and never have), would use up the bandwidth very quickly. I had to start paying the $20 a year maybe 7-8 years ago, and I just post on forums like this. I also agree that charging $30-40 per year tops, would be the smart move.

    I'm in big doubt that costs are directly proportional to the number of free accounts. All those free accounts, millions, brought in very significant ad revenue, now down 75% (using your hypothetical numbers), plus server and bandwidth costs are not directly proportionate to the number of fairly low use free accounts. I have no figures to back it up, but I would bet losing 75% of customers by closing the free accounts would result in less than a 50% savings. figure in the loss of ad revenue, and the huge negative press and pissed off people, and making a profit from gouging the potential customer may not make financial sense at all.

    Maybe they ran the numbers, but I am not sure they ran them right. :dunno
  9. DRONE

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    100% agree. If they had simply sent the extortion demand only to the free account holders, and offered them the hotlink plan you and I have (currently $25/yr), they probably would have picked up at least 25 million paying customers generating $625 million in annual revenue.

    I think they hired the wrong consultants.
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  10. Bultaco206

    Bultaco206 Back-to-back motos suck

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    I'm beginning to think it was all designed to attract a suitor? Or there's something else in the works? Just seems like a hint of sabotage in the air with all of it.
  11. MiamiMotorcyclist

    MiamiMotorcyclist used to be -MiamiUly

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    I think smugmug keeps the pictures original too where PB always compressed them some. Am I wrong on this?
  12. JimVonBaden

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    Absolutely! :thumb
  13. JimVonBaden

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    It was a setting. If you had a free account you would use up your space very fast if you didn't allow compression. The paid account I always had full size available.
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  14. jlevers

    jlevers Been here awhile

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    One possible way to retrieve your pictures that were posted in threads is to use the WayBack Machine (otherwise known as the Internet Archive). You can view a version of ADVRider from May 2017, before the Photobucket nuke, and the pictures will still be there. For instance, the Afghanistan Ride Report now has no pictures, but if you view it using the WayBack Machine, you get this, which still has all the pictures. Not the most efficient way to retrieve pictures, but it is possible.
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  15. Damian_74

    Damian_74 Been here awhile

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    Took the plunge and opened a paid SmugMug account.........WOW, so much easier to use and no adds.

    PHOTOBUCKET CAN GO AND GET F#$(@D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  16. Wreckchecker

    Wreckchecker Ungeneer to broked stuff.

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    Baldy's son (SmugMug owner) is going to have to change his tax bracket with all the new enrollees for SmugMug that the PB mess created.
    :D
  17. STBNE

    STBNE el Bendito...

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    What I want to know is ..now that all my ride reports on ADVrider have lost all their pics..and i have deleted my photofukup accounts..my Threads are still here but really worthless without the pics..I am not going back in time to try and relink all the pics correctly..it could never be done..a waste of time..so How can i get these threads deleted? I cant do it..???
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  18. xtremewlr

    xtremewlr Long timer

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    I had around 2700 images in my PB account. That would be a major PITA to download all those individually. And like you, I haven't been able to download the albums en-mass directly from PB.

    What I have found that works is an program call Bulk Image Downloader. You have to use it from a Windows PC as far as I know, no phone app for it. there are extensions for Chrome, Firefox and so on tho. The free version limits you to around 100 pics at a time but if you pay the $25 for the full version, you can download however many pics are in an album, all at once. So far, it's worked very well for me and saved tons of time. Note that if you have any privacy settings on an album, you will need to change the setting to "Public" prior to downloading them in BID or it won;t be able to find them.

    http://bulkimagedownloader.com/

    Hope that helps some of you guys.
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  19. mototifosi

    mototifosi What does this one do?

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    read a post a few weeks back and went back to look at it again and the pictures are gone, replaced by a big black square saying "photobucket" W Up ?
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