Pitster Pro / GPX moto Enduro Motorcycles, TSE, FSE, LXR

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  1. Iffykid

    Iffykid Long timer

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    Thought maybe I needed a different suspension guy, Mine said it could be closer to $500 if I needed custom springs.
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  2. trailer Rails

    trailer Rails Washes hands before going to the bathroom

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    Mediocrity does not move bikes off the showroom floor. There is a large number of people who ride around on 60+hp bikes but never crack the throttle any further than 15hp. I ride a KTM Freeride, depending on what dyno chart you look at, it is a 16-19hp bike. I ride with a lot of 300 2 stroke and 500 4 stroke bikes, my bike makes enough power to pass these bikes, even on more open hill climbs. Sometimes it is the only bike that can make it to the top of a more technical climb. But the Freeride is a dud on the showroom floor because people view it as a beginner or girls bike.

    I have some trails in my backyard that people would struggle at hiking. Last weekend, my buddy rode a Super Sherpa through the entire loop. Many 300/500s have had to be shown the shortcut out of this trail. I am sure there are a large number of people laughing at the idea of riding a Super Sherpa on hard Enduro style trails but that is all most people need.
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  3. Iffykid

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    I think my skilz or lack of has most to with it but I have been left behind on my XTrainer by people riding Freerides in tight terrain which I would like to try but not at the price point.
    Now if someone made a $3k Preeride:augie I might try one.
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    trailer Rails Washes hands before going to the bathroom

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    I believe there is a spot for someone like Pitster to step in and make a product like the Freeride but at a much better price and with much better spec. For the price, the Freeride has awful brakes and suspension.
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  5. OlafofOregon

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    Still knocking off your fellow ADV Riders? Taking designs from here and sending them to China to make cheap copy cat knock offs? Just curious.


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  6. Chadzu

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    The xtr is pretty much in the free ride idea, or maybe ktm ripped off Kayo because the xtr was there first?
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  7. Iffykid

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    That's why I said"$3k Preeride :augie" and not $$$$ Freeride
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  8. Chadzu

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    Pitster is doing what business men have always done. There are very few original ideas left. Bring a product to market that is good enough for a fair price and people will buy it. There is no shame in that.
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    trailer Rails Washes hands before going to the bathroom

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    Careful, I don't know the full story but I believe there was a copied giant loop bag. As far as copiying what bike manufacturers are doing and improving upon their designs. Have at it.
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    That would be perfectly acceptable for KTM because its not a "cheap copy" at nearly 3 times the price:imaposer
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  11. Navin

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    My apologies if its a low number. Ive not had it done and the set I know was dropped had that as the drop price but had other things done as well to go 3" down. It probably had springs involved too.
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  12. Iffykid

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    No problem, Next time I will call and ask about other suspension shops to compare rates might be worth asking around cant hurt.:dunno
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  13. Lutz

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    On the factory shortened suspension front, put me in the "meh" camp. For me...give me maximum ground clearance and full travel every day of the week, especially with lightweight bikes. I'm totally "average" in terms of height 5'-10" and inseam (~32"), and intermediate skill level in dirt. No problem with a tall dirt bike. I find it easier to ride a taller bike in gnarly terrain, because it isn't hanging up on the frame and banging the footpegs off of things nearly as much.

    Still, I realize a significant number of people want a shorter bike for a variety of reasons. If a company can offer a lower suspension from the factory, that's great. But it'll still be a generic, one-setting-suits-all kind of solution; if not, then it's custom work and at that point you're back into custom pricing. Did the factory go low enough for everybody? Or too low? If the generic spring rates,valving, and travel in the factory lower suspension happen to suit the buyer, sweet...but it begs the question, would those buyers really even notice the difference between the internally shortened suspension vs. lowering links and raised forks? And if they did have the skill or sensitivity to notice a difference, wouldn't they be going for some custom work anyway? ...and would they really want a lowered bike in the first place?

    But if it's a viable option for Pitster to offer a low model, more power to them. A slightly smaller frame with reduced travel, but high component quality and an affordable price wouldn't be a bad addition to the market.

    But there are additional factors to keep in mind that most people aren't even aware of; little nuances that can break a manufacturer if something is missed. Did you know that suspension travel, seats, lights, spark arrestors, and warranties on dirt bikes are all regulated by the EPA? No, I'm not joking!
    Link: https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-i...7666a&mc=true&node=se40.36.1051_1620&rgn=div8
    So as a hypothetical example, a manufacturer might be able to sell a certain 250cc bike with 12" of suspension travel, lights, and a seat as a competition model; but if they sell the exact same bike only with 10" or less of suspension travel, it would need to meet emissions certification requirements for-off highway motorcycles. As a result, those 2" less suspension travel raise the cost of each bike substantially, especially for a low volume manufacturer.
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  14. Navin

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    Despite sag adjusted (by cranking too much preload) Im dragging the frame, pegs and then my feet far too often on my softly sprung LXR. I aint complaining. If I was a different rider, in thick rock trails at plonking speeds, it would be dandy.

    One size doesnt fit all, but its a production issue. How many do you build low? How low? How soft, firm, for an A rider, or a D rider... There are so many variables in suspension I think it is too much to ask, like getting your favorite tires on it too. In fact, tires would be far EASIER!

    And then it has the wrong tubes anyway! :lol3

    Some stuff you just change yourself.
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    I have a 28" or so inseam and have ridden a 950SE off-road. It was fun until it was not and I needed to get a foot down now. That lesson years ago taught me seat height and a solid foot down does matter...along with less weight is better.
    Imo it's not a necessary evil.
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    You're not avg.
    29" inseam is avg.
    You have 3" of leg at the end to work with and that's all the difference in the world.
    It's easy to you.

    You've probably never been in a tricky place where you need to dab a foot and that foot can't down enough to hold the bike up and you dump it. It fuggin sucks and humiliates you.

    So if 29" is avg then ALOT are still less.
    28", 27" etc. Women have it worse. It's even harder yet this group still wants to ride off-road with quality equipment. This group has been ignored and they end up riding low tech, low seat Japanese machines.
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    Yeah I figured $500+ at least to do it all right.

    So you buy a $4000 it so Pister LXR and now you need to spend 1/8 of the price to make it usuable for you...before you do anything else.

    Many would love for it to be right from day one. That's why XT250s, CRF250L sell and yet the tall inseam/KTM crowd screams why?...They are POS.

    It's the seat height folks.
    DR650 still sell briskly after 20 years...35" inch seat height.
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    I have no idea if Pister can pull this off, but it at least is on the table.

    AJP tried (PR 3/4) and came up short because of the lack of availability for one, but primarily the engine chosen and thus the lack of FI. That Zong 250 FI motor should be in the low bikes too.
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    UGH, I don't get it I supose.
    I own a set of GL Mojave bags and a GL fuel bag. Both are excellent products and are priced accordingly, although still outsourced. If GL doesn't have a patent I just don't see where the problem is. Pitster brought a more affordable option to market, likely with some less expensive materials. It gives us consumers a choice, and has the secondary benefit of keeping companies like GL honest in there pricing.
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  20. Chadzu

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    I asked Pitster about getting the nc250 in the xtr sized bike. Kinda looks like he went 180* and put the xtr motor in the big bike. Of course now that a 250 2T is out of the bag, a xtr sized bike with the 2T sounds like lots of fun to me.