Plating a dirtbike in VA - Emissions?

Discussion in 'Southeast, The Lair of the Dragon - The Blue Ridge' started by K1paddler, Dec 17, 2013.

  1. K1paddler

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    Hi All - I am looking at purchasing either an older XR400 or a new WR250/450F with the intention of DS'ing the bike (I am not looking to purchase a DS bike such as a WR250R). The "platability" of the bike will influence my buying decision. I've come to understand that I can fairly easily plate the bike here in VA by going through the steps of getting it street legal (DOT tires, horn, high beam, brake light, speedo, etc), getting an inspection station to "cerfity" it as street worthy, then heading to DMV for titling/registration. I'm not sure it's just "that" easy (?) but that's what I'm understanding.

    My real concern in all of this is really around the required emissions. I live in Fairfax where both safety and emissions are required. A few questoins...

    1. I assume a bike in this situation would indeed have to go through and pass emissions?
    2. Would a 10-13 year old XR400 even come close to passing emissions?
    3. Would a new WR pass emissions with aftermarket pipe & free mods...or does it need to be left in 100% stock form to pass emissions?
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  2. VACommuter

    VACommuter Long timer

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    I have 3 bikes registered in VA and no emissions required. Just a "safety" inspection.

    VAC
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  3. K1paddler

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    Good to hear, appreciate the response. I guess I should've checked VADMV's site before posting - after seeing your post went out there and it clearly states motorcycles are exempt from emissions. This is all new to me so I'm clueless. Thanks again.
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  4. big-t

    big-t Been here awhile

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    Good luck,The DMV will require a title without the "for off road use only" stamped on it and they have the "on road" list in their computer they match the model against.Every once in a while they slip up and let one by,but you take the chance of it coming back to haunt you at a later date.

    Recently one of the locals purchased a plated wr450 with a clean title and when the DMV transferred it the title came back with a "off road" title.....no plate.....:eek1


    Getting it inspected is the easy part.
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  5. SRG

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    Any title that says "for off road use only" will be rejected.

    Your VIN will be compared to DMV's database, if their database shows that VIN is "for off road use only" it will be rejected.

    If your bike/title doesn't come up as "for off rad use only" then you will be able to get it legally plated.

    I got an '04 KTM 450EXC that had never been registered done (bit of a hassle) and later, got my '10 Husaberg FX450 done w/ no hassle (it already had a plate/title from another state, but it was not originally a street legal bike - nor was the KTM).

    Edit - never had to do any emissions testing for either one when applying for the plate or at the yearly inspections.
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  6. RimBenty

    RimBenty Bender of Rims

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    I had a 2002 KTM that came with a certificate of origin but the DMV said for me to get a title the original purchaser would have to get the title first and then transfer it to me.

    The original owner wasn't willing to help me out so here's how I got around it. There is a Virginia law that says if you own an off-road vehicle without a title you can request and receive a title for it. It will say off road only. After getting the title, so I had proof of ownership, I submitted the forms and receipts for the parts to make it street legal and was able to get a street legal title for it.
    Note: The title says that it's a reconstructed vehicle.

    The whole process was a bit of a pain and took about four or five weeks. In the future I will only purchase a bike with a street legal title but realize that it will probably cost more than one without a title.

    VA law

    DMV instructions
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  7. K1paddler

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    Appreciate the thoughts and advice. I've taken the first step of going to DMV to trade the bill of sale for title. The title they gave me lists it as "all terrain" for body type. I have no issues taking the steps you outlined and getting the bike to street legal as a 'reconstructed vehicle'. Let the fun begin :D.
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  8. B. Myers

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    keep me posted on how this works out. I did the MSO conversion to street legal back in 2000, then sold the bike. I was since under the impression that the DMV didn't do any of that anymore.

    I have since bought another DRZe, I would love to get plates on for fireroads in the national forest.
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  9. bwalsh

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    I know a local inmate(VA) who tried to do this about six months back. Don't know the outcome. I'll PM him a link to this thread and see what he says.
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  10. K1paddler

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    Would love to know the outcome! Please do let us know.

    So when I was at the DMV getting my title issued, I also explained my situation to the lady (i'm converting a dirtbike to streetlegal and need to eventually get it titled), asking her what I need to do. While she didn't seem completely sure of herself, she did reference the "reconstructed vehicle" information that an earlier poster provided a link to. Also she took about 10 minutes and , on DMV letterhead, she typed ujp the same in writing (the letter also includes my "customer" name and her "teller" name FYI). Here's what is says:

    "In order to complete your transaction(s), DMV will require the following documentation:

    Other: 1) Ownership document and bills of sale for frame, body, engine, transmission, or front end assembly (2) Notarized statement stating how the motorcycle was constructed (3) Submit multiple pictures of the completed motorcycle; must show at least the front and side of the motorcycle. (4) Submit 17A application (5) Mail to Virginia DMV, vehicle branding work center, PO Box 27412, Richmond, V 23269

    When you return, please bring the following:
    1. All of the documents you presented on your first visit
    2. The additional documents/information listed above
    3. Required fees.
    4. This form."

    All that said...it is entirely possible that she doesn't "compeletely" know what she's talking about and I get denied somewhere else along the way, BUT for now...this is the route I'm going to take.

    EDIT: I specifically asked for this in writing. She didn't just take that initiative and type it up for me. Additionally, the form has her managers (DMV site manager) signature on it.
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  11. bwalsh

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    I forgot to say welcome to adv! Pretty good group of folks here.

    I PMed the guy but being the holidays he may not notice it for a few days. Wow, that's not the response I would have expected from a(usually clueless) DMV agent. Usually they just say, "NO, you can't do that. NEXT!" :lol3

    So on another note, what part of the State do you live and what type of paddling do you do? I'm a WW paddler myself, as are a few other inmates here. I'm up near Front Royal.
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  12. K1paddler

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    Thanks for the welcome I appreciate it! Yeah this forum is excellent and has provided me a wealth of information. As for the DMV I have to say that all in all it was quite a successful visit having walked out with a title and instructions to get where I want to be! We will see where things go now...

    That's great to hear there are other boaters out here, although I guess Ishould've expected as much being these are two fantastic activities!

    EDIT: Removed off-topic material.
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  13. wvdirtbiker

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    Hey K1paddler, you might consider buying that type of bike that has been licesened in another state. I bought a WR-250F in VA this summer. The VA title did not have "off road use only" on it, so I was able to get it tagged in WV.

    If you ever do your paddling/biking trip in Southern WV, contact me and we'll hook up for some rides.
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  14. bwalsh

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    You're welcome! I don't want to clutter you're thread so I just PMed you.
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  15. bwalsh

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    The only way I'm sure of for plating a dirt bike is if you get a dealer to install a DS kit, on a brand new bike, and have them get the title when they transfer the bike to you. My local Honda shop manager told me they could do it and had done it in times past.
    Used bikes are going to be very iffy. I've thought about trying it but I don't have the cash to put down on a bike I may not be able to use as I intended to.

    EDIT: Be especially wary of CL ads that state, "the bike has a dual sport kit installed(or comes with one). You just need to go to the DMV and get a title." I've seen at least two ads written exactly like that. Yeah, if its that easy why doesn't the seller already have the title in hand.

    Lying POS's
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  16. guns&coffee

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    I have a friend who inspects bikes at a local dealership. I'm going to put tags on my KTM450XCRW. VA req's are horn (audible from 50' or something), Hi/low headlight, DOT tires, front and rear brake switch and speedo. For a horn I was going to use a hand-held air horn, but it's included in the kit from Sicass Racing. The bike has a PA title, so I shouldn't have any trouble getting a tag for it. My advice would be the smaller the DMV office the better. They don't tend to raise so many questions.
    Just smile and wave!:clap
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  17. bwalsh

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    Thanks for chiming in!

    What does the PA title say? I'll assume it doesn't have "for off road use" on it?
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  18. B. Myers

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    K1..how is this process coming?
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  19. Chessie-Owner

    Chessie-Owner Been here awhile

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    I am thinking about trying to plate a crf450 at the moment and convert it to a supermoto. I would be very interested in finding out what happens.
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  20. porterrad

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    Let us know how the process goes.

    The scooter that I'm currently trying to plate in Va. is an '87 CR250R that I bought new in Ga. The Manufacturer's Statement of Origin says "Off Road Only" at the bottom. The last time I tried to get a title from the DMV, they turned me away because I didn't have the bill of sale. They also said that the "Off Road Only" notation was a problem. I never bothered to try again, but I'd really like to plate this bike.

    For what it's worth, several of my retired race bikes were titled & tagged in Virginia between 10-35 years ago. These included a used '74 Maico Enduro that I bought in Ga. & a used '79 Husky WR390 that I bought in Va. Both had titles without the "Off Road Only" inscription.

    An '81 Maico 490 & an '82 Husky XC250 that I bought new were also plated in Va. The Maico was bought in N.C. & the Husky was bought in Va. Before purchasing either of these, I made sure that the dealer would give me a title without the "Off Road Only" inscription.

    I had to swap the lighting coil from my '74 Maico to the '81 to power the lights, but other than this, I had no problems getting any of these 4 scooters tagged & inspected for highway use in Va.

    The CR250R should be far safer on the road than any of the 4 bikes listed above. The brakes on the CR are very good, while the bikes listed above all had brakes that would fade badly when trying to stop quickly from 60+ mph. With the wide ratio gearbox, the 390 would go so scary fast that I retrofitted a disc from a Honda 400F street bike.

    Anyway, I've been stymied by the paperwork to legalize the CR so far. If the paperwork issues look encouraging, I have a quiet muffler, a 30 watt lighting coil, hi-lo lights, horn, stop/brake light & stop light switches that are waiting to be installed.

    The CR turned 25 years old recently which should qualify it for Antique tags. Does anyone know if the antique route will make the tagging process easier?
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