please don't use these oil filters

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by anorphirith, Jan 8, 2017.

  1. pistole

    pistole Long timer

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2013
    Oddometer:
    1,806
    Location:
    earth
    hand tighten only
    #41
    Loutre likes this.
  2. Hog1450

    Hog1450 I use the oil you hate

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2015
    Oddometer:
    321
    Location:
    NWFL Panhandle, Florida KHRT
    Lol.. "Hand tighten plus a quarter turn", no "Hand tighten only"... what if it's synthetic oil on a Tuesday? Or does it depend on tires?
    Sorry... having a laugh.
    #42
    ErikMotoMan likes this.
  3. TUCKERS

    TUCKERS the famous james

    Joined:
    Dec 23, 2005
    Oddometer:
    15,238
    Location:
    Villa Maria Sanitarium, Claremont, CA. USA
    Same result for me. Now made in China. There is so much paint on the rounded nut no wrench or socket fits it. I sent mine back and got a new one from them at no further cost. I stopped buying them. I torqued mine to factory and the nut rounds off when removing. K&N have jumped the shark. I liked the nut and the hole but it's a pain anymore with the shit nut.
    #43
    anorphirith likes this.
  4. anorphirith

    anorphirith Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2008
    Oddometer:
    120
    Location:
    Bay Area, California
    and you don't happen to have knowledge about r1100 or r1150's
    #44
    spokester likes this.
  5. Adios

    Adios 2016 R1200GS; 2006 Harley Road Glide

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2016
    Oddometer:
    33
    Location:
    Indiana
    My experience with the K&N filter was with my Harley, where access is difficult. And it’s difficult not to make a mess when changing the filter. The nut on the end of the filter looked like a desirable convenience, not. I bought two off of Amazon, and had trouble removing the second one. I do confess to installing filters to the high side of the torque allowed. Maybe as a long time Harley owner I have developed an inordinate fear of oil leaks.

    I can recall, as a teenager, driving a screw driver though a stuck oil filter on an old dodge to remove it. A point of caution here: oil filter housings tear easily and you could end up with a difficult mess.

    If you become temped to drive a screwdriver through anything on your R1200, I think that you should probably just step back and collect yourself. :/
    #45
  6. bogieboy

    bogieboy Long timer

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2013
    Oddometer:
    1,112
    Location:
    Clifton Springs NY
    I prefer this style wrench, mechanic by trade here...

    [​IMG]
    #46
    Kawidad and Tor like this.
  7. Tor

    Tor Norwegian Viking

    Joined:
    Nov 27, 2005
    Oddometer:
    1,712
    Location:
    Pee Dee of South Carolina

    Can we meet half-way? Let's make it "Hand-Tight" plus an eight of a turn...:photog
    #47
    roookie1 likes this.
  8. Carl Childers

    Carl Childers Ghost in the Machine

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2012
    Oddometer:
    2,963
    Location:
    Northern New Mexico

    I have one of those in my tool box and they are pretty handy when it comes to odd size filters in tight spots when I don't have the proper wrench, the harder you twist the tighter they grab. That tool has saved me a trip to the auto parts store a few times. The build quality on them is so , so. They do wear quickly and fall apart. Probably made of Chinesium.
    #48
  9. bogieboy

    bogieboy Long timer

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2013
    Oddometer:
    1,112
    Location:
    Clifton Springs NY
    hmm havent had any issues with my Husky branded one... use it on every oil filter i have touched in the last year and still going strong... and i see a LOT of filters....LOL
    #49
  10. Carl Childers

    Carl Childers Ghost in the Machine

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2012
    Oddometer:
    2,963
    Location:
    Northern New Mexico
    Mines a knock off, I look into getting one from Husky I like the design that much!
    #50
  11. bogieboy

    bogieboy Long timer

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2013
    Oddometer:
    1,112
    Location:
    Clifton Springs NY
    they are like $11 at home depot... i know Mac makes a set for 3x as much as well...
    #51
  12. Paddle007

    Paddle007 Gun Toting Vegetarian.

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2008
    Oddometer:
    364
    Location:
    S.E. Louisiana
    I personally remove the o-ring from the filter and apply a light coating of grease to it. Lubing both sides pays off especially with diesel fuel filters where sealing can be a big issue.
    #52
  13. Gezerbike

    Gezerbike Hey Rocky...........

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2002
    Oddometer:
    4,361
    Location:
    Everybody knows this is nowhere......
    Maybe I should start a thread asking the obvious questions: What is wrong with the factory filters ? In 15 years here, have never read any of the type of horror stories I have read about getting them off or other issues like driving a screwdriver thru them and such. Is it money, 'cause if it is, then why bother to spend $ 10 a quart or so for Amsoil, as many do here ? The average rider here puts probably less than 10,000 miles a year on their bike, or 2 oil changes if running the expensive oils. So if you saved even $8 on each filter that is just $16 bucks a year for peace of mind. I just don't get it.........
    #53
    Bike Guy likes this.
  14. legasea

    legasea Ape on wheels

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2010
    Oddometer:
    183
    Location:
    Hanging on in a garden by the sea
    The reasons that might justify the option of performance filters are related to the flow and filtering ability.
    When you consider a few microns particles bigger that ideal that are retained or keep messing around, you might want to do something.
    How that is important?
    Who knows...
    #54
  15. Gezerbike

    Gezerbike Hey Rocky...........

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2002
    Oddometer:
    4,361
    Location:
    Everybody knows this is nowhere......
    I have always understood that the reasons people go for an aftermarket filter is not so much performance related as it is cost and ease of availability. And/or they don't want to buy them from a dealer for various reasons.
    #55
  16. AdvMoto18

    AdvMoto18 NORDO

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2013
    Oddometer:
    1,860
    Location:
    Where it's warm and sunny most days.
    Back in the days of real muscle cars (pre-'73) every FRAM, NAPA, you name the brand, oil filter printed words on the filter to the effect of...

    "Hand tighten until snug, tighten an additional 1/4 turn by hand".

    There has never been the need to use a wrench to install a new canister oil filter.

    And this technique still works great today. A canister filter gasket is going to expand and seat as the motor heats up. Why you MUST wipe a film of oil on the gasket before installation and use a filter wrench to remove same.
    #56
  17. GS Addict

    GS Addict Pepperfool

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2006
    Oddometer:
    5,699
    Location:
    Sunshine Coast B.C.
    Most filters I've seen are marked 3/4 turn after gasket contact. The BMW OE (-845) is marked 1/2 turn
    All my life I've done 3/4 turn and never had any leakage or removal issues.
    Lubing the seal with fresh oil being part of the procedure.

    When I am faced with a tight filter installed by someone else, applying a steady even torque and holding it for up to 10-15 seconds is very effective. Suddenly the filter will start to turn slowly. If reefed too hard initially the chance of stripping increases dramatically.
    The above applies to fasteners as well.
    #57
    JimVonBaden likes this.
  18. jsb223

    jsb223 ADV Rookie

    Joined:
    May 18, 2006
    Oddometer:
    1,668
    Location:
    Waco, Texas USA
    He's right you know...
    #58
  19. ctfz1

    ctfz1 Long timer

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2006
    Oddometer:
    2,301
    Location:
    Waterbury, CT, USA
    K&N was acquired by a large companyand the supplier changed some time ago. Not the same quality they were, by all accounts.
    #59
  20. JaroIrishSlovak

    JaroIrishSlovak Adventurer

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2016
    Oddometer:
    27
    Won't fit with 1200gs 05, I have the same one. I use oil filter cup wrench (had to buy them on ebay) and torque to spec.
    #60