Poor bike selection U.S.

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by bleedgrn, Jan 23, 2013.

  1. phoenixdoglover

    phoenixdoglover Where to next?

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    I am residing in Oman right now. I would dearly love to be back in the US with the selection of bikes we have there.

    Here's a quick rundown on the adventure bike market here:

    1) BMW - no dealer
    2) KTM - no delaer
    3) Husqvarna - no dealer
    4) Kawasaki - local dealer, no KLR's
    5) Harley - oddly, the dealer has 2 KLR650's left over from 2010 "experiment"
    6) Suzuki - no dealer (folded last year, no V-Stroms anyway)
    7) Yamaha - local dealer, no Tenere, Super or otherwise
    8) Honda - local dealer, no NC700x, or Crosstourer, or....
    9) Triumph - no dealer
    10) Ducati - no dealer

    Could the local dealers import some adventure bikes? Yes. Will they special order, even with a price 20% higher than US MSRP? No.:huh

    Only recourse is to shop in Dubai, import the bike, and then hope it is fault free.

    So spare me your belly-aching!:D
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  2. kingofZroad

    kingofZroad Been here awhile

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    Well said!! Go buy a bike and RIDE!!! :clap
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  3. It'sNotTheBike

    It'sNotTheBike Banned

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    Your story reminds me of a saying I heard in Sunday school decades ago :


    "I cried because I had no shoes until I saw the man who had no feet"


    ( the implied ending to the above story, or at least what I have always thought,
    it would be, is that the person telling the story then decided to be thankful for
    what he did have. Which in the case of most of us in the western world, who
    always have a warm place to sleep and do not go to bed hungry, would be an
    appropriate mindset. )




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  4. bleedgrn

    bleedgrn Adventurer

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    Sounds like living in Oman is a personal choice you made. Going to these locations there are obvious limitations on selection of imports. At least you probably enjoy cheap petro prices :wink:. This should not be the case in one of the largest marketplaces in the world.
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  5. bleedgrn

    bleedgrn Adventurer

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    Look, I know this sounds like whining and maybe it is. I actually feel very privileged to live where I do, have the means to indulge. I have been to many third world locations both in a military capacity as well as privately funding my own trip in a supportive role in Central America. I understand we are a very privileged society. There is also room for improvement and I would just like to see more options available that make sense.
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  6. It'sNotTheBike

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    The size of the marketplace is not the relevant term. If demand in that market is below the
    threshold the manufacturer wants to see before entering the market the manufacturer will
    not enter the market.


    And yes I do in fact have an undergrad degree in economics, but I did not stay
    at a Holiday Inn Express last night :D


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  7. burmbuster

    burmbuster Long timer

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    Cost of ownership? That's a new one on me. This is my second Triumph and there is no more a cost of ownership for these bikes than there are for the jap bikes. I have never had any drivetrain issues or electrical issues.
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  8. It'sNotTheBike

    It'sNotTheBike Banned

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    Me, I'd like to see world peace and no more of these insane school and
    workplace shootings. But I am not holding my breath waiting for that
    because I am a realist.


    Why wait on an ideal bike that may not appear for years when there is riding to be
    done and fun to be had ?


    You could buy a less than ideal bike now and sell it on that glorious day when
    Honda or Yamaha finally smell the coffee and build the bike that all us fringe-market
    Advrider people are wishing they would build. Or you can not ride for years while you
    wait. The choice is yours.

    Me, I want to have fun before my body quits working and I have to wear diapers or
    some godawful thing :huh so I am going to ride a bike which is far from perfect but
    is still a lot of fun to ride.

    And to borrow a line from Forrest Gump : "that's all I have to say about that".


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  9. It'sNotTheBike

    It'sNotTheBike Banned

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    What has happened in this thread caused me to remember a tidbit
    from what is called "transactional analysis", which was and is a useful tool
    for analyzing human behavior.


    The tidbit is called "Why don't you / Yes, but". It involves a scenario in which
    every suggestion made by one party is rejected by the other party who uses
    a rationalization to justify a position which might in the cold light of logic not
    actually make much sense. I don't mean any insult by writing this but in
    honesty I think this phenomenon is happening in this thread.



    Check out the web page below and see if it doesn't sound familiar in the context
    of some of the discussion in this thread :


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transactional_analysis#Why_Don.27t_You.2FYes_But


    It's 35 degrees out, and I am going riding now :D

    Auf wiedersehen !

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  10. Rob Dirt

    Rob Dirt More or less in line

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    I happen to agree with the original poster. If you look at websites like http://www.bikez.com/index.php, then you'll see all kinds of awesome bikes that we will never get.
    For example, I'd buy a street legal 2-stroke like http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/husqvarna_wre125_2013.php, but they will never offer me one for sell.
    I haven't read every post, but if Honda can crush KTM like a roach, then why is everybody riding orange? I've had a KTM 450exc since early 2006. I almost never saw any other KTMs back then. Now, 95% of the dirtbikes I ride with are orange. KTM is becoming huge because they offer dirtbikes that can be tagged. Why the hell isn't the Japs offering MX bikes street legal? I just don't get it, & I never will.
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  11. RaY YreKa

    RaY YreKa Palanquins RTW

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    Just to flip this, in the UK you can't buy a KLR650. No idea why, I think Kawasaki would sell them in good numbers (though perhaps they won't meet Euro emissions test?).
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  12. bikerfish

    bikerfish flyfishandride

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    in my area, western PA, you'll see one usable bike(adv or standard) for about every 100 cruisers.
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  13. burmbuster

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    Unfortunately, thats pretty much the norm from coast to coast. And it probably won't change. Very few people buy adv bikes for around town jaunts or touring. And its certainly not the choice for guys that ride with a pillion most of the time. Adv bikes will remain a small market compared to others for the forseeable future. How many outside of our circles like riding in the dirt? How many like to camp? Not too many.
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  14. backwoodsKLR

    backwoodsKLR Ride more, Post Less.

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    I just scanned this thread and thought I'd add that a lot of it is the complex government regulations, import taxes, DOT certifications, cost of making a model for US market versus for the rest of the world, etc. Why was the Super Tenere slow getting here? Had to make a US Spec version. Takes time, money, and if they aren't guaranteed to sell enough to recoup that added costs, then why do it? (Transalp)

    I do love my Tiger 800XC! :clap
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  15. Dirtysouth

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    The above quote is the reason why there are limited models in the Dualsport/Adventure arena. Although there are a fair share of DS/ADV bikes in the North GA area where I live, they simply don't compare to the sheer numbers of the cruisers or sportbikes that run up and down the roads. I do see the DS/ADV numbers climbing though, and there are more now than when I started getting into the DS/ADV bikes back in 2004.

    In my opinion, we have a pretty good selection of bikes to choose from. I mean you can get anything from a 250 thumper up to a 1200 adventure bike, and a lot of choices in between. I started off on a DRZ400s, and have had 1000cc Adventure bikes. I now ride a "middle weight", the Tiger 800 XC and for me it is the perfect mix. I can only assume the 800 GS is the same. This is my 4th Triumph out of the 30+ bikes that I have owned, and I have never had an issue with either one of them. The cost of ownership is the same as any of the Japanese bikes that I've owned. Oil filters and oil cost the same regardless of the Manufacturer and the Triumph dealership is closer to me than any Japanese dealership.

    In my opinion, there will always be something out there that is unobtainable. Why spend time wishing for something when you can use that time to enjoy what is there?
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  16. burmbuster

    burmbuster Long timer

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    Very well said. And $12K isnt a lot of money for a great bike. And this is my second Triumph after quite a few jap models.
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  17. bleedgrn

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    You could really make "Why don't you/ Yes, but" apply to most forum discussions whether they are constructive or instructive. This may have been how this thread ended up, but it was not my intention. I only was looking for how other people may have arrived at their personal decision to make a purchase of a bike. Mine was based on some limitations. The intent was not to have someone retort but to maybe agree.
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  18. bleedgrn

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    I agree with you. We should enjoy what is here, that is why I choose the Glee. By the time I am done farkling I might have bought a T 800 XC, which is what I really wanted. Just for fun, if you haven't watched "Portland to Dakar" on youtube, if you didn't love the T800XC before, you will after watching this

    The Raiden Files - Portland to Dakar - A Riding Movie

    Thought I would try and link it, but may not have worked.
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  19. Eye of the Tiger

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    Anyone seen a CCW bike? http://www.clevelandcyclewerks.com/
    Designed in US, built in China. I admire their simple, classic designs and low cost. Just need more than that low-performance 250cc engine.
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  20. bleedgrn

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    The CCW and the Hooligan look interesting. Not many manuf. selling bikes for those prices any more.
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