Poor bike selection U.S.

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by bleedgrn, Jan 23, 2013.

  1. GrahamD

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    I don't disagree in general. You could also add to the mix that in the easy money, good times people would just buy 2 or three specialist bikes.

    Then came the not so good times. Now more people are looking at 1 bike to suit, and maybe a bike to save some money on gas (petrol) rather than driving a large truck to work every day. People are generally more careful on average.

    If you were a 1 bike owner in the naughties, your choice was pretty much, Cruiser, RRRace, Tourer, MX and apart from cruisers all of them seemed to be designed to win races not be day to day friendly.

    Images of 2 bikes on the back of an SUV towing a cruiser comes to mind :lol3

    I mean is that a sign that not many bikes were practical as day to day transport or what?
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  2. Jeathrow Bowdean

    Jeathrow Bowdean Been here awhile

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    That is a good point GrahamD. This does make me wounder what happend to the practical days. I'm guessing the world run on spent money, and buy high and sell low has been the norm for some people. I thought about the one bike thing my self, but it just won't work for yet, "and I mean yet." The day will come that one bike will do my day to day, so I will have to age before it happens.

    My idea of practical is keeping both of my bikes, because they fun !!! Age will tell me what to do when I turn 92. Ha Ha

    From Jeathrow Bowdean
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  3. GrahamD

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    I think the manufacturers have just spent years doing things "easy" and selling lots of specialist bikes. Making a General Purpose bike fun all over is a lot harder. It's easier and more profitable just selling you five bikes for different things. :deal
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  4. phillipsrog

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    Is that ADV bikes are kind of accepted by most quarters. Maybe they're just being polite but I've had sport bike riders, dirt bikers, cruisers and Harley guys say "that's a pretty cool bike."

    Guess we're a bit off topic, but overall I would say we have some pretty good choices.
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  5. bleedgrn

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    To clarify from an earlier post, the KLR is the number one selling dual sport for the last six years, not the best selling motorcycle. My argument on U.S. being the largest economy for selling, I think I stated one of the largest. That was not to suggest that the U.S. makes up for the majority of bike sales. In fact I would think Indochina accounts for the majority, since small cc bikes are a staple for transport. If you look at all the middle weight "dual sport" do-it-all bikes, the selection stateside is limited comparatively. This would include other segments of consumer goods i.e. midsize pickups like the Toyota Hilux with a small diesel getting 32-36mpg. Nothing here comes close. Same as the Ford World version Ranger diesel with similar specs. Instead we are stuck buying vehicles or bikes that are a compromise. I would sell my Avalanche for a small diesel pickup that gets mid 30's tomorrow but not made available stateside. I get that there are some standards to meet, but some of this is ridiculous. Sell us what we are looking for and the market will improve. I believe my thinking/logic is pretty common place.
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  6. Dirtysouth

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    It's all about supply and demand. Manufacturers think the same way whether it be motorcycles or cars/trucks/suvs. The vast majority of people here in the states, don't want diesel engine midsize trucks or SUVs. I would love to have a diesel engine Hilux or a bare bones Land Cruiser, but most people buying these vehicles don't. They want leather, navigation, chrome, etc...
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    Just be happy that you are not a whopping 5'4" tall like me. Options are even more limited when you are vertically challenged.
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  8. dman

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    I'm not in the industry but have been riding and observing for many decades. Honestly, I think the diversity and size of the US market (it is big, if not as big as India/Thailand/China) results in a different mix of models sold here. For every KLE or TransAlp not sold here, there are a lot of small dirt-only bikes and quads and side-by-sides that are imported and supported, that probably aren't available in many other parts of the world. I live in an area with a lot of bikes and riders - KTM to to MV Agusta to Harley, and except for a few locations that attract big ADVs and sport bikes, I still see mostly cruisers and mostly Harleys, and the Japanese dealership floors are full of dirt bikes and ATVs. Over on the TR650 thread, people are questioning why the new Husky ownership would drop this "popular" bike. I live in a town with a Husky dealership and see 610's and 630's on the streets several times a week, but have yet to see a TR650 on the road, only in front of the dealer and at the bike show.

    We (the type of rider on this forum) all wanted CB400F's and RZ350's and TDM's and TransAlps and Seca 650's, but we didn't buy enough of them. Let's enjoy what we do have and the fact that at least the Euro manufacturers do seem to import most of their range.

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  9. snakebitten

    snakebitten Small Town Hick

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    We dont get these either. (The OZ F150)

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    These get decked out with toolboxes, ladder racks, you name it.

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    And here is the truck I would buy in a heartbeat: (She wants it actually)

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  10. Snake Doctor

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    Yep, I would love to see Toyota bring in the Series 70 to States, but its predicated on sales . . . .oh to dream

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  11. bleedgrn

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    Just to stay on the current topic, I did hear that Jeep/Chrysler is going to bring in the Jeep Grand Cherokee with a new Italian Diesel mated to an 8 speed auto. Now this could be a very nice vehicle except for the fact that it will probably nudge $60K. Kind of negates the purchase of a diesel. How about a Hilux or Chev Canyon 4 door with a small diesel that gets low 30mpg U.S. and cost below $30K. Now that is something I could live with. Guess what, you can buy it almost everywhere but the U.S. :huh BTW, my new L2 Glee is starting to grow on me. Once I have it set up the way I want it, will probably be happy with her.
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  12. aterry1067

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    I would somewhat agree. And, offer a similarity.

    During the auto industry bail out debacle, there was one American car company that stood out....Ford. It seems like Ford seen the crash coming, and began to re-focus on the actual auto, and not relying on the "they've always bought it, they always will" mentality of the buying public. They began to focus (re-focus?) on quality, reliability, and innovation before the others did. I know some will argue, but I seem to remember that the CEO of Ford was begging for money less than the other two.


    Apply this to what is happening now in the motorcycle world. One company seems to be standing out....Yamaha. Yamaha seems to be the one Japanese big 4 that are taking the lead with innovation and quality. The S 10 is the first big displacement dual sport(>1000cc) bike that actually has dual sport capability out of the box, and so far the quality has been superb. This seems to be the first Japanese bike that could give the GS a run for it's money, and begin to steer sales away from the Germans. Yes, I am well aware that the V-Strom has been around for a while, but I think most would agree that the V is mostly a road bike, that many owners have outfitted to become off-road capable.

    I am trying to be as unbiased as I can. Personally, I've always been a Suzuki fan. And I have two in the garage right now. A DRZ400SM that I am absolutely in love with. This bike makes me giggle like I did in when I was a young schoolboy, launching a Suzuki quad into orbit. I also have a DR650. This is one of the biggest POS's I have owned. Similar technology, similar manufacturing, different outcomes. I feel that the quality control of the 400 compared to the 650 is night and day. Which leads me to believe that the plants in Japan have fallen to the same syndrome as many of the American car companies......it's a (********)....people will buy it.....why do I need to pay attention to quality? But then,, they are two different bikes....so who knows. But to me, Suzuki has let their quality go down in the past few years, and have failed to keep up with technology compared to the current market leaders.

    I also have in the stable a BMW RT. When it breaks hard, it will be replaced with a Yamaha Super Tenere or FJR.



    And I haven't even talked about the WR250 yet.,,,,,


    Just my $0.02
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  13. GrahamD

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    Just goes to show that Suzuki owners are still secure in their man hood. Good to see they haven't changed. :thumb

    I hope everyone isn't still arguing. Good name for the new one. No I am not being sarcastic either.
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  14. GrahamD

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    Yamaha have usually done good, honest, well thought out, slightly portly reliable stuff. Ever since the 70's.(that I can remember)

    I have never owned a YAMAHA until recently but they have never gone unnoticed either.

    They have always been a bit "out of the box". They get put back in on occasions when something didn't quite work but they seem to pop right out again regularly.

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    They also tend to be in a bit of demand from other manufactures for performance engineering on occasion.

    Now that might not have been such a great success because they dared charge what it was worth. I mean the cheek!! At the time it was all about power and lap times not touring but it is now fairly collectable.

    But on the other hand back in the 70's Suzuki wasn't so afraid either...
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    I think Suzuki have just fallen into a "cheap trap" lately though. It's hard to do advanced stuff if everyone expects 3/4 the price of everyone else so they have gone for "bang for bucks" load em up and ship them. Good value for the consumer though.
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  15. snakebitten

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    Your comments on Ford...........

    Wether you have a current Ford product or not, a good friend of mine has been in Ford sales for 15+ years. And as negative as his natural personality is, he flat out claims that he has waited forever for Ford (or anybody) to provide him the lineup they have now. I've never seen him say something like that with such conviction.

    Even with a sour economy, he says they run out of cars.

    Note: I have bought Trucks from him for years. That has always been what I thought he was. A truck salesman. But not anymore.
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