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  1. Dieselpwr

    Dieselpwr Been here awhile

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    Tolls can definitely be avoided by taking back roads, which are a lot more fun on 2 wheels anyway. However if you are slabbing it to get somewhere quick, then most of the highways have tolls. You can get a "via Verde" transponder (ezpass) for those toll roads.
  2. Mac Ka

    Mac Ka just a guy on a bike ..

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    Motorcycles are not inspected or tested but that's under review but in true Portuguese form will take years. Road tax is yearly and banded according to c.c. My 660c.c Yamaha is 56 euros a year. I think the next higher band is the only upper rate and from memory was 120 euros a year.
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    http://impostosobreveiculos.info/ ..for some accurate info..
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    Motorcycle insurance is considerably cheaper than the U.K. (my home turf). That's probably because the crime rate is fantastically low here. Guys leave their helmets loose on their bike and go shopping.
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    The 'registration' I believe is peculiar to the USA. The ownership details of cars / bikes are on a small Portuguese document called the livret (log book in the U.K.) If you buy a vehicle from a dealership they pay the 62 euros (a one time fee) to have your details placed on as the new owner. If you buy from a member of public, it is customary that both parties go together to an agency to exchange ownership details and pay half each for the document update.
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    Motorcycles to recap......No annual testing or 'registration' . Tax is banded as insurance and is paid on line normally.

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    Cars have are a strange affair. Used car values are ridiculously expensive . I own a 10 year old Renault that in the U.K. would cost £1200. Here it cost me the equivalent of £10,000. My Portuguese Mitsubishi L200 cost the equivalent of £8500 and was actually worth £2000.
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    Here's a couple of PT web sites for the sale of cars and bikes . I'd recommend using google chrome as your browser because it can auto-translate the wording of every screen page . https://www.olx.pt/ https://www.standvirtual.com/carros/
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    Car Road tax is annual and very, very cheap if the vehicle was first registered before June 2007. After this date, car tax climbs in a banding and emissions sequence. Insurance is on-par with the U.K. My Renault Laguna 2.0 is 300 euros year. A smaller car like a Corolla (pre 2007) would be about 36 euros a year as was our Peugeot Partner van.
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    As a 'new resident' to Portugal you will be allowed to import 1 vehicle and avoid the extortionate import tax which can often be eye watering. I imported my Yamaha and went to the Portuguese Customs authority who took 300 euros from me as a one off fee to 'matriculate' the bike from a U.K. licence plate to a PT one and place the bike on the national database. You can only do this as a resident which you will be if you live here for more than 90 days. Importing is very complicated and it's better to have the customs guys do it because the sheer amount of p/work involved is another Portuguese trait of unnecessary bureaucracy.

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    Toll roads, are basically every freeway / motorway in the country. Here's a web site with a calculator inbuilt to discover just how much any journey will cost. They will issue a small device that is fixed to your car's windscreen and is read by ANPR / camera gantries as your progress is monitored and then direct debited from your bank account. It applies to m/cycle too, but they are cheaper. Navigating around the country is perfectly possible but will often take 400% longer due to the nature of the tiny village roads that you'd be using instead, plus they're usually twisty as a result of the mountainous scenery. http://www.portugaltolls.com/en/web/portal-de-portagens/home

    Oh, one more thing....European drivers' licences are valid in Portugal (Europe) but none EU licences will need to be exchanged once a period of residency has passed. This involves a minor medical to obtain a doctor's approval and at the age of 60 needs to be re applied for.

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  3. Johann

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    If you live in a built up area and have a dealer close by then spares are not going to be a problem but if you live in the sticks getting hold of parts can be an issue. Check the location of brand specific dealers. My next bike is going to be either an XT600E or a DR650. Not the perfect bike for everything but a bike that can be kept running without ever seeing a dealer for work. Another good site for bikes is....

    http://www.custojusto.pt/portugal/motos
  4. Tripletreat

    Tripletreat Been here awhile

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    I haven't seen anything posted here re the wildfire losses. Let me say that our thoughts and deep sympathies are with those who have lost loved ones and property due to the recent fire(s).
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  5. Kayakgk

    Kayakgk Long timer

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    Any suggestions for renting a bike in the fall of this year?

    Thanks
  6. Otherworld

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    Ola Portugal. Need local assistance. Brought my GSW (from Canada) to travel Europe and elsewhere. Tyres need replacing. Hopefully getting my 50K service done MT Motors (in Trofa) in a few days -trying to book that now. Where can I buy new Anekee3s without over paying (my local dealership in Toronto way over charges). Thanks!
  7. Johann

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    http://www.mototrofa.com/motos/acessorios/14/pneus/michelin

    They list anakee 2s on their site, would need to call them to confirm prices and stock of Anakee 3s.

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    Rua das Indústrias, 648
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    252 414 592 / 252 403 840
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    About 3kms W. of Trofa just off the N104. 10 Euros per wheel for mounting (don´t know if that includes balance). As a guide prices for Anakee 2s are

    Pneu 90/90-21 Indice de Velocidade (V) 103.39 €

    Pneu 110/80-19 Indice de Velocidade (V) 185.42 €

    Pneu 150/70-17 Indice de Velocidade (V) 147.97 €
  8. Mac Ka

    Mac Ka just a guy on a bike ..

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    https://www.pneuslider.pt/pneu-moto/michelin/anakee-3/170-60-r17-72v-81231 123 euros / 48 hr delivery. Get them posted ahead to a known venue.
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  9. Johann

    Johann commuterus tankslapperus

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  10. Otherworld

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    Much appreciated!
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  11. fulviapaulo

    fulviapaulo Been here awhile

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    Hi guys.

    Portuguese guy here so, just my 2 cents on these subjects and doubts...

    Portugal can be a pretty damn place to live, especially if you're portuguese... we're the guys that complain the most about all things portuguese and how foreign stuff is better and how the living is easier "outside" and more civilized and... and... and the list goes on!! Yet, we're also the ones that get f***ing mad if someone non-portuguese speaks ill things about the very same things we also complain... Weird people!! :lol3:lol3

    Most of it has been said by some inmates that form the huge expat community that lives here. Crime rate is very low, food is cheap and very good, wine is proper wine (with proper cork bottle stoppers!!), beer is cheap and good, people go to extreme lengths to help out a stranger and weather is usually great... So, there's not much to make one wonder if it would be a good idea to move here. Even with all our problems and flaws. Bureaucracy is crazy (getting better though), we drive like maniacs :D, fiscal policies can be rough to understand etc but you have free(ish) and fairly good health and education systems. And we still enjoy some level of freedom regarding EU laws or, at least, find a way to not complying to them :evil

    We are currently enjoying a huge boom of tourism influx and that is felt especially in our biggest cities, with it's pros and cons. Lisbon is as maniac as a big city can be, Porto is calmer but getting busier and Algarve is crowded during summer and Easter, apart from there it's just a case of choosing a place of your liking. Housing prices in those 3 areas is high and rising but a 15 or 30 min drive away and prices should be a lot cheaper. Where I live, a 4 bedroom house can cost between 150 and 250k€ (generic prices) and a similar flat between 100k and 250k. Not being cheap, don't expect these prices in Lisbon or nearby, but cheaper housing can be found if you go futher inland. Too long list of variables to discuss now though, but roughly this is it.

    I have an office in Porto and live in Braga which is some 60km (40mi) and I commute everyday to and from office with my car. This is a common procedure to a lot of folks although it can turn out a burden in a monthly wage. As it was said, tolls are expensive (for our standards) as is fuel costs so, although a fast commute - some 35min - it means it can cost you some 100€/month just on tolls. If speed/time isn't a subject you have plenty of choice roadwise avoiding tolls and highways... and some great ones :wings

    Random thoughts on things I read on this topic.
    I can believe Porto was a dull city 50 years ago but that's not the reality nowadays! You'll find a young vibrant city with lots to do and see. I recommend a week or two vacation here in Portugal, rent a car and travel around the spots that you think might thrill you... then decide! :thumbup

    I live somewhat close to Viana and it's not that far from Porto also. A beautiful small city with great (although freezing cold) beaches. Not a lot of storage options in Portugal, or none to be honest, but depending on your needs something can be researched.

    Yes, like a lot of things here, it usually ends in a bunch of bulls**t paperwork and bureaucracy but, I imported a bike from UK this month and although it cost nearly 300€ it was fairly smooth. It can depend on the Customs and MOT offices where you deal with this procedure. In our group we're 4 with british imported bikes and all 4 with different stories to tell :mully The last was me and it took me 4 "mornings" (6h in total maybe) to do it. Before me, another guy did it in Viana do Castelo and it took him 2 mornings with a couple different papers etc... who knows...

    Don't want to get too lengthy or boring but if any of you need some help or counsel, be free to contact me!

    Cheers and stay safe
    Paulo
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  12. Tripletreat

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    Not boring at all! Thank you for the good information and offer of assistance, Paulo. :clap
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  13. Tim Graichen

    Tim Graichen Been here awhile

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    Thank you VERY much! I really have a very strong interest in Portugal. Although I know ZERO Spanish or Portuguese, I add that to the list of challenges. I have been looking at the real estate web sites recently for Northern and central PT. Some of those old stone cottages just thrill me. How available are building supplies and skilled labor if I were to decide to purchase, and need to do major work? Is their city supplied water, sewage, or is the country outside of the big cities mostly well and septic systems? Is a good electric supply always available? I picture myself choosing something 45 minutes outside of a major city. Sorry if my questions seem a bit ridiculous.

    "Don't want to get too lengthy or boring but if any of you need some help or counsel, be free to contact me!"

    Cheers and stay safe
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  14. Tripletreat

    Tripletreat Been here awhile

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    Hi Tim. Fortunately, many Portuguese speak very good English! This is a welcome fact, for I found that in Portugal, Brazilian Portuguese is very rare lol!
  15. Mac Ka

    Mac Ka just a guy on a bike ..

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    Paulo, I really like your honest reflection of the Portuguese attitudes. When we left the UK we had a list of negatives for both countries and the Uk's attitudes and negatives massively outweigh Portugal's, I'm happy to trade them.....even "the bad driving" .In the UK the driving is out and out aggressive but here it's just a gentle lack of awareness. The UK has 66 million British registered vehicles on the roads ( source DVLA) and you can tell. Here the country has a population of just 11 million and a lot of open countryside. I've often fealt the place was all to myself. I haven't met an unfriendly person yet, truly awesome place.
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  16. fulviapaulo

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    Not at all ridiculous. I'd take a chance and say that all cities and towns are utilities supplied. What might happen is, if you drift to the countryside and choose to buy a land plot or an old cottage, even if the nearest town has power, sewage and water grid you might end up being forced to go with a well and septic system has it might be cheaper than connecting it to the existing infrastructure. As far as I know, the cost of having the power company "build" an non-existing connection between your plot and the grid can be expensive. I'll try and search for some info on this... Building supplies and labour are easy to come by but you need to be present a lot of time... we're not known for having a huge respect for timelines or budgets :D plus, don't forget that stopping for cofee and smoke and a proper lunch is an important part of our culture!

    On smaller towns real estate taxes are cheaper so I'd suggest moving away from big towns. 45min/1h drive away is still very close and we're a small country. If you land in Porto airport in (roughly) 1h drive you'll be in Spain (N), Vila Real (E), Aveiro or Coimbra (S) just to name some examples. In 30 mins you'll be at my place...

    There are several international real estate franchises (Era, Remax, KW) that cover all the country but you also have smaller realtors that have good references in samller towns. If countryside is your choosing there's this realtor http://en.portugalrur.pt/ that specialises in farms and older houses.

    Thanks! We tend to do our most to be friendly and help anyone. I don't think we drive that bad! It's just usual for us to exceed (by large numbers) the speed limits and, after all, rules are meant to be broken! :evil:evil Truth is a lot of my brit friends won't enter a car I'm driving...
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  17. TheBritAbroad

    TheBritAbroad Just ride it!

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    Quick note about the toll roads here. ViaVerde, the company that runs the toll roads, is doing an online offer at the moment in which you rent the transponder thing for two years and the first year is free (second year is only €7). More interesting though is that if you have a bike it reduces the tolls by 30% on all toll roads in Portugal. Also they deliver the dongle thing for free and just to sweeten the deal they chuck in an armband carrier for the dongle and a can of chain lube. Bargain. :) https://www.viaverde.pt

    Note that to get this, and just about anything else even vaguely official in Portugal, you need a NIF (tax) number. Not sure if this has been mentioned above to those thinking about moving here, but without a NIF not much can be done - it's needed for utilities, banks, and a lot of other things.
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  18. bingbong

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    Some great and honest info here and some of it i could have used 11 years ago when moving here. I'm on my second house now having sold the first and completed a ground up roof off restoration. Picking builders to do the work is the same as anywhere else in the world. Follow what feels right to you. This can mean dealing with a language barrier but its all possible and makes it more fun. Yes you do need to be on site everyday and never let a builder make a decision on his own. As for the Portuguese work ethic, my personal experience is they work harder and longer than any in the UK i have personal experience of. They don't expect tea and buscuits every hour or before "making a start" but an end of week beer was always greatfuly accepted. Oh and having a coffee here takes 10 mins as opposed to an hour and half in star bucks or in the UK it would be mid morning bacon butty and a gallon of tea. Also,,,, the cost of all this can be less than 50% of the costs in Northern Europe or the UK.
    The only frustrations i have encountered here is the difficulty in getting anything sorted officially or dealing with government offices. BUT.... I have encountered worse in the UK. Find yourself a good Avogado and your troubles will be halved. And again.... most of them will not charge you anything like their worth.
    As has been stated your first stop is to get a Fiscal number. NIF. Don't panic this doesnt mean you will receive a tax bill or have a policeman knocking on your door. (Unlike italy) You will be asked for this when buying ANYTHING but I very rarely give it and its no problem. Buy big ticket items and you will need it.
    Now the fun part of Portugal....
    you will eat the freshest best tasting food available in the world today, believe me.... I've tried food in almost all 4 corners of the globe. It used to be very cheap, now its just cheap when comparing it to Northern Europe. But personally I think food in Northern Europe is just another commodity to realise vast profits. The Portuguese work to live and a major part of that is eating. Eating in or out. They don't earn huge salaries so expect to be able to afford coffee and food.
    I can never imagine a bloody revolution here for anything except if coffee hits 1.5 euro a cup and they cant afford to eat out once a week then look out!
    I'm living a standard of life i could only dream about in the UK. (Don't get me started on Italy) I don't reference my standard of living or shall we call it my standard of life in monetary terms. I value it by smiles and a very low resting heart beat. I have great friends that are both Portuguese and expats that gives me all the social life i need. I know my wife is safe at home when i travel and if she needs any help the Portuguese people in the village will always help. Not that she would ask unless it was life or death! (Stubborn doesnt cover it)
    Portugal isn't for everyone ( I sincerely hope!!) and not always cheap. But it is great value....
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  19. Mac Ka

    Mac Ka just a guy on a bike ..

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    a great read bingbong and very true. Sometimes I worry Portugal will actually be discovered for just how good it is and all of a sudden we'll all be faced with an invasion of expats and tourists............So please, let's have no more of "Portugal is fantastic!" because our daily breakfast at our favourite cafe's will double in price from 2 euros / £1.80 and my council tax might go up from 38 euros a year, back to the U.K.'s equivalent of 200 euros a MONTH, (and my bin gets collected EVERY week here for that, and none of that 3 bins of different colours for 3 types of shit either!).........Shhhhh !
  20. bingbong

    bingbong Long timer

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    You and I need to meet for a sagres and complain about the state of Portugal today... :photog
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