Promoto Billet/Fastway Stabilizer

Discussion in 'Crazy-Awesome almost Dakar racers (950/990cc)' started by RoundOz, Apr 28, 2012.

  1. RoundOz

    RoundOz Plenty of seasoning

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    Anyone tried one of these on a 9x0 (or previous ride):

    http://www.promotobillet.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=86

    Several hundred $ less than a Scotts, no need to replace the top triple clamp, all kinds of claimed adjustability. I just couldnt find easy links to any users to get an idea of effectiveness or build quality.
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  2. catalina38

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    666 Agnostic and Orange

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    Mi friend has it on his 450 for few years now and it works fine.
    I also planning to buy it for my 950, may be later this summer.
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  4. RoundOz

    RoundOz Plenty of seasoning

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    Examining the pix some more it looks like I might have an issue reaching the adjustments around my HDB topclamp and switches. Also noted that the System 5 (which adds a "no-damping at extreme steering angles" option, and this sounds like a really good idea for slow going, tight turns) adds enough $ to the standard System 3 to take it into the $500+ region. Still very interested though!
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  5. Zuber

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    The system 5 is really intended for flat track or road racing.

    The system 3 is a good system for 99% of the time. It has a high speed damping circuit that is a real safety feature, Scott is the only other one that has this. They are both good.
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  6. RoundOz

    RoundOz Plenty of seasoning

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    Hmm...my brief experience with dampers on sportsbikes (rod-type dampers, simple with a single adjustment) had me always very careful when doing slow turns and u-turns. Even with the damper backed off all the way (assuming I rermembered to do this), there was still enough resistance to make these maneuvers more challenging, or somewhat scary, worst case.
    Obviously a sophisticated damper with separate low and high speed damping is a different beast, but I thought that having an adjustable angle of damping, such that no damping was applied at extreme left and right, sounded like a good idea for single-track work. If the low speed circuit can be backed off enough to not have any effect on low speed maneuvers, then maybe the five-way adjustable is overkill. I am happy to be educated on this.

    Obviously trying to sell a product, but the Scotts manual says:

    "LOCATED ON BOTH SIDES, these are what control the distance of damping force (or sweep), from the center line out to either side until it releases. The stabilizer is then free to move to the steering stop. This allows for easy steering in tight turns.
    Key Feature: This prevents arm pump commonly created in other stabilizers.
    Road bikes: Allows for no damping resistance, if wanted, when making tight turns "

    I would like to hear from users here what they think about this. Should post it in the other current damper thread I guess...
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  7. Zuber

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    I have a scotts damper on an XR650R and the Fastway on a 500EXC. I rely on the high speed damping to catch the big unseen hits. The damping away from center quickly straightens out the steering. This has saved me many times, esp on the big red pig.

    I generally turn the low speed damping down very low for tight single track. I only turn it up for rocky high speed sections, like a fresh 3" rock road, lava field in Eastern Oregon, etc. With the low speed turned up, you can ride one-handed (almost), it is like having power steering. If the low speed is turned up, then you will be fighting the damping on tight single track and it just doesn't work. Both the Fastway and Scotts come with the low speed angle setting set to release like 30 degrees from center. The low speed damping still catches in the center when sweeping from side to side. So, I don't think there is one setting on these that will work for both tight single track and high speed rough track. It's very easy to flip the low speed valve while riding.

    Dampers with no high speed damping are missing the most important part. Low speed damping only is not worth much on dirt.

    If you plan on road racing or flat tracking where you'll have the low speed damping turned up, then the System 5 will allow the various angle settings to turn off low speed damping. Even asymetrical, different angles for left and right. Flat Track and Road Racing are the two types of racing that I have very little experience with, so maybe some one can chime in here.
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    RoundOz Plenty of seasoning

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    Thx, that helps a lot. Have you ever been in a situation where you wish you had the damper off. I guess what I am asking is could a damper stop you from making a quick steering input? My suspicion is that with low speed turned way down, the high speed reacts only to inputs that are much quicker than the rider could ever produce (?)
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  9. geometrician

    geometrician let's keep going...

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    Don't know how you're math figures as the damper for our bike is $330 from Scotts... several usually means 3, and these aren't $30.

    You don't have to replace the upper clamp with Scotts, it's an option they offer, has rubber handlbar mounts, raises the bar 25mm and is sub-bar mounted to allow other accessories to be mounted.

    I know Scotts to be a simple, well-made damper that was branded "Ohlins" when they needed a rotary-type damper for the newer, more compact motorcycles of today and didn't have one in production yet. Ohlins has since created their own unique rotary damper, but this should be fair homage to Scotts.

    Compared to the other brands I have worked with, sold and used, I have NEVER seen a Scotts leak or fail. I know of some that have been in use for over a decade on various bikes including 2stroke single-trackers- and they continue to work.

    Scotts also offers every part to fix or rebuild your damper, change your oil, and make no secret about anything in an attempt to keep you "out of the box".

    just another opinion...
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    I did a little shopping around and the 5 way adjustable Fastway is about $570 and a Scotts including triple clamp is under $600 if you know where to shop and have a coupon code, so price isn't a big factor. My question is are the features and performance of one or the other a big enough difference since the cost is very similar. I know the Scotts has been around along time and has a great reputation but I also like to try new and or different gear and equipment.
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  11. Whip

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    I just ordered one from Justin. If it gets here in time I will test it in the sands and rocks of Utah in a couple weeks.

    I have a Scott TT set up on my 950 Adv and will be putting the Fastway on my 990 Adv.

    I will report back.
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    RoundOz Plenty of seasoning

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    I guess I may have been comparing the Scott's with triple and the Promoto without. In my defense I dint find either website to be very friendly, but then I am older than 30 and my abused brain doesn't work like it should:D

    One supplier told me the triple needs to be replaced for a 9x0 because of the angled top to the bar clamps. I have yet to find an assembly dwg for any stabilizer so I can see why this would be so. Promoto makes a special point of saying that theirs works with OEM triple, which leads one to think that others don't.

    Scott's definitely have the name and the experience and I would like to go with them if the price compares. Sorry if I passed my misconceptions on in error.

    I think I saw a thread with a HDB install with a Scott's damper...can anyone point me to that?
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    RoundOz Plenty of seasoning

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    The price I found for Scott's was nearly $900. That put a stop to my price searches. Where did you find yours?
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    Alleycatdad Unbunch yer panties!

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    v8toilet Nothing to see here.

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    I guess I'm confused. I was under the impression the Scott's requires the triples to be swapped out to install the damper on my SE. I seem to remember other inmates posting pictures of homemade mounting solutions to work around the triple clamp replacement.

    Can somebody set me straight? :lol3
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    RoundOz Plenty of seasoning

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    ...but now I am even more confused...from the BDCW site:

    BRP KTM Adventure SUB Mounts are designed exclusively to fit BRP or Scotts triple clamps and due to the design of the OEM clamp this is the only way to mount a stabilizer on these machines.

    This reads to me like no stabilizer will work with with the OEM triple clamp. I was raised in a country where American English is the second language, so maybe its just me...

    Can anyone clear this up for this dumb-arse.

    Posted before I read your post V8, so I guess there are 2 of us.
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    The photo on the PMB site shows the Fastway mounted to the original. clamp:thumb
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    v8toilet Nothing to see here.

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    Yes, I know that one works with stock but other posts in the thread seem to indicate (possibly incorrectly) that the Scotts can do the same.

    It also looks like the HDB top clamps may not be compatible with the Fastway (might block some of the controls) where as the Scotts with triple works with HDB.
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  20. Whip

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    Scotts clearly states you need to replace the original TT to use their dampner.
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