Property Lines?

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  1. Creation

    Creation Been here awhile

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    Wanting to build a fence. Anywhere I can get my property lines without a surveyor to hire?

    Can't stand my neighbors dog shitting in the yard
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  2. Ironwood

    Ironwood Friday Harbor, WA

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    You can go to the county and ask to see your map. That is where the surveyor would start. Well actually he could have the database on computer. But on the county's maps you will see measurements and angles and things like Iron Rods at corners. Hopefully you will get enough to go on. The county will make you a copy for $. You need your parcel number from your tax bill.

    You can ask at the surveyor's as well to see if they have done a recent survey in your area. If so they may give you some info as a courtesy. The ones I have dealt with have been helpful. I have found my own property corners several times without cost other than time for research.
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  3. smjon

    smjon Adventurer

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    You can go to a local equipment rental shop and rent a detector/locator to find your property corner pins. It's a fairly common rental tool.
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  4. tommybelvedere

    tommybelvedere Adv alacarte'

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    Creation,
    I am a surveyor by trade, most plat maps are available online it will give you bearings and distances. if you are in a platted subdivision it really is not that hard, lines of visible occupation are a good place to start looking for your property corners. If you need help pm me. I hope you cease the dogshitting and get a nice fence!
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  5. GSguy

    GSguy Here's a quarter.

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    Good fences make GREAT neighbors. :deal
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  6. Apple Jam

    Apple Jam Forest Flyer

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    No need for tences make the BEST neighbors :clap
    And yes, my neighbors' dogs shit in my yard all the time. I just wipe it off, and move on.....
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  7. Creation

    Creation Been here awhile

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    Does your neighbor get mad at your bike when you start it at 6am? Or threaten to call the pound on your own dog when all he does is sniff the plants?

    She told me because my dog is big it should be locked up. Her little bichon frise is scared of it.


    Thanks all for the advice. Found 2 rods today, and found that her whole garden is on my property by 7 feet.
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  8. dhally

    dhally Hammerhead

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    Now you have to decide whether or not to fence her off from her garden. A friend of mine did that and started a 10 year war.
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  9. 1911fan

    1911fan Master of the Obvious

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    And if you don't you risk losing that seven feet by adverse possession. It's gonna start shit, so hire a surveyor to come locate it officially. Then put your fence exactly on the property line, and enjoy your new garden for the win! Hope she's planted stuff you like on your side.


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  10. Almost There

    Almost There Up, up, and away

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    Since you are doing it for the safety of her dog I'm sure she won't mind not using your property for her garden.:rofl
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  11. GSguy

    GSguy Here's a quarter.

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    Adverse possession is difficult in this situation IIRC to claim adverse possession you need to have been paying the property tax's on that land for a number of years, so your neighbor would need to prove that she has been paying the taxes but I'm sure you have.

    The hard part is deciding what to do. If you did locate the corner stakes then you by all right can build your fence right along that property line with out any notice to your neighbor, but if you are wrong then you will need to tear fence down and move it. You run the possiblity that the markers have been moved too. Not sure there would be any damage's awarded to the neighbor as you really did no damage except tear up a garden that is not growing anything right now.

    At this point, I think the best advise is to contact a lawyer, pony up a few hundred bucks and get the legal advise now that you have located the corner markers.
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  12. IDRIDR

    IDRIDR Take me to the River

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    I agree. With a seven foot difference, it will be worth the cost to enlist a surveyor. Take the high road and be polite, but firm, about securing your property to prevent adverse possession.
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  13. GSguy

    GSguy Here's a quarter.

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    Another thing you could consider is on a day when neighbor is out working in yard or you know she will be watching, run a string line from one marker to the other and start measuring out the area. When she asks tell her you are going to build a fence and the fence builder you have been talking to asked you to locate the corner markers and take measurements for an estimate, see what she has to say.

    Her reaction should then tell you what your next step will be.
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  14. SAE-GS

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    As a Professional Land Surveyor, I highly recommend hiring a Professional Land Surveyor located in your area. It sounds like you have a lot more going on the just where to put a fence. Sure, it will cost some bucks but most likely will save you money in the long run.

    As far as finding stakes in the ground, it is a good start but, how do you know these are the true property corners? They may be goat stakes or stakes that someone with very little knowledge set thinking they were at the property corner. When they were really way off. A good Land Surveyor should be able to sort this out.

    I know if you called my business I would look into the record before I gave you a quote. I can't speak for all surveyors but most surveyors I know don't charge for their quotes. One last thing, surveyors are almost always cheaper than lawyers. Property disputes have bought many lawyers expensive bikes, and other toys. Good luck with your project.
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  15. Dr Klaun

    Dr Klaun Been here awhile

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    This. You can also back check your locate by finding the rods on the other property corners and measuring the distances between them to compare to your plat (check your deed if you own the home).

    Be up front and positive with your neighbor before engaging DefCon 5 strategies....
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  16. Creation

    Creation Been here awhile

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    She rents the house. The actual owner told me today that I am correct in where the line is and in his eyes am free to build my fence. Pulled out his own survey so we could check the line properly and asked my lovely doll of a neighbor to move her garden items out. She started having a fit and drove away.

    So she is 7ft over on my side in one part and 11ft over at the end of the area. The home owner will be happy about the fence as I offered to replace the back corner of his rotten fence (that is on my property) with new wood and place it on the line until it meets his own.

    Apparently she isn't supposed to have a dog at the residence anyway , haha
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  17. doggitter

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    Man, that sure turned into a win for you. I was afraid I was going to here of a fued starting up.
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  18. GrizzLee

    GrizzLee RubiKon Adventures

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    I love how this turned out.

    I had issues w/ my neighbor years ago. Actually, my neighbor did, not me, because we had a big green area between us. His wife wanted to take out the trees for a garden and I said no because it was my property. Short story, they wanted to have me pay for half of the survey. I said NO as I had a pretty good idea on the property lines and he was the one with issues. In any event, he spent the money and low and behold, the property line came within 5 feet of the corner of his house. Not the 10 feet I had assumed from my deed. He could no longer fit his truck into. The back yard. They moved, shortly after. Looks the the platt wasn't quite right or they built the house in the incorrect spot. In any event, the survey got rid of a neighbor no one cared for .... Barking dog that was getting out constantly and shitting where ever it felt the need. Current neighbors are Chinese and don't speak English, but they must have money. They hire a landscape service to keep their place looking nice. All fine with everyone.
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  19. Camarodude

    Camarodude Been here awhile

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    Is there some rule about a fence being offset a certain distance from the property line? Maybe it's the street or sidewalk property line.
    Sorry, just came to mind, it was sort on subject.
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  20. Friz Freleng

    Friz Freleng Religious zealot

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    Stay tuned. These things have a way of devolving.

    With regard to the OP, don't let the fact that your neighbor is a renter disabuse you of the notion that she can't give you grief over the fence. Realistically, she is, after all, the one you have to live next to, her landlord notwithstanding. Also, let me point out (in a bloviating sort of way) that a tenant enjoys certain advantages over a landlord under WA's Residential Landlord-Tenant Act. While the landlord may be happy to accommodate you, I'm sure he doesn't want an aggrieved and petulant tenant on his hands who doubtless is now calculating whether she can hold him (or you) responsible for the loss of her garden. And now she may lose her pet. She gets a lawyer, he gets a lawyer, and guess what, you may have to get a lawyer if for no other reason than to argue that you haven't interfered with her tenancy.

    It's entirely possible your neighbor's landlord misrepresented the boundaries of the yard. Who knows. As a Washington attorney I've seen this kind of situation spiral quickly to the outer orbits. My advice: make a reasonable effort to mollify your neighbor. To the extent you can, work with her landlord and her.
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