Puerto Montt to Buenas Aires

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  1. LooseNut1

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    Hi People, I need some advice. I will be riding from Puerto Montt, Argentina, to Buenas Aires at the start of December, and have 10-12 days to do it in before flying home to England. Can anyone suggest routes, accommodation, places to visit etc? This is the final part of a 6 month ride having taken me from Alaska to Ushuaia. Thanks!
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    Puerto Mont is in Chile. Are you sure about the city?
    If it's so, I would advice to cross the borde at Cardenal Samore ( near frutillar), and then go to Villa La Angostura, then north to San Martin de los Andes, Junio de los Andes, Zapala, and then to Malargue, across Payunia and then to San Rafael, Mendoza and from mendoza a 2 day sprint ( could be done in one) to Buenos Aires.

    I have bike friendly accomodations on San Rafael, and Mendoza. And you can enjoy great wine and road.
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    Hache, Many thanks.
    Yes, I do mean Puerto Montt. I will probably be taking the Navimag boat up from Puerto Natales to there. I am currently in Chile still heading south to Ushuaia.
    Your route looks interesting - I had initially thought of crossing to the east lower down the country but I have no idea whether that would be interesting. I passed from Mendoza into Chile a couple of days ago.
    I see that once in Argentina your suggestion is mainly on the Ruta 40 up to Mendoza. What is the R40 like in this part? I rode 450 km on R40 southwards from Susques to Cafayate, and that was all dirt / gravel and a challenge in one day!
    Any further details or suggestions welcome :-)
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    I was also wondering about deviating up to the Iguazu falls. Do you have any knowledge of the route to there from Mendoza?, And then back down to BA?
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    I'm also interested in road conditions of Ruta 40 from its start in Rio Gallegos to Mendoza. I'll be on that route next month, unless the road conditions are horrendous.
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    If you have the time, I would recommend checking out Iguazu Falls. I didn't get there from Mendoza, but was there last month on the way from Buenos Aires to Paraguay. I took a roundabout way to get there, through Uruguay and Brazil. On the way back, I routed through Brazil and then Paraguay, entering at Ciudad del Este and riding south to Encarnación and entering Argentina again at Posadas.

    You would obviously be on a different route coming from Mendoza, but you could do my Paraguay part of the route in reverse, getting to Posadas from Mendoza through Córdoba, Santa Fe, and Corrientes. My ride from the falls through Paraguay to Santa Tomé, Argentina took the whole day. Three border crossings, driving at EXACTLY the posted speed limit because I was told that the police in Paraguay love to pull over foreigners and solicit bribes, and stopping to see some interesting Jesuit ruins along the way.

    The route back to BA for me from was basically from Santa Tomé, Argentina, (Corrientes Province) where I spent the night. It was about 525 miles mostly on Ruta 14. Perfect four-lane highway most of the way with a posted speed limit of 120 kph. Goes up to 130 kph closer to BsAs. As for timing, I left my cool little hotel (Hotel La Cabañas, Santa Tomé--highly recommended) at 6 AM and arrived at the hotel in Buenos Aires at 4 PM, after a few gas stops and also a fairly long stop at La Posta Internaciónal del Motociclista along the route near Concepción del Uruguay. Chatted with Gabriel, the owner, for close to an hour.
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    Parcero, many thanks. Sorry it has taken me a while to get back to you. I am working on making some more time by taking the Puerto Natales to P Montt ferry a week earlier (21st Nov) so I may just have time. I have mapped out your route and it certainly would add some miles!
    Are you riding up the R 40 any time soon? What I have seen of it so far is pretty good asphalt,although it will become gfravel tomorrow as I ride down from Gobernador Gregores to El Calafate.
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    thanks. Sorry it has taken me a while to get back to you. I am working on making some more time by taking the Puerto Natales to P Montt ferry a week earlier (21st Nov) so I may just have time. I have mapped out your route and it certainly would add some miles!
    Are you riding up the R 40 any time soon? What I have seen of it so far is pretty good asphalt,although it will become gfravel tomorrow as I ride down from Gobernador Gregores to El Calafate.[/QUOTE]
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    There is a nice paved road South of Gregores heading west to Tres Lagos, then turns to gravel, nice ride to Calafate, did you ride this,?
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    For much better views detour off of 40 to Torres del Paine NP ,head south through Puerto Natales and avoid Rio Gallegos
    South from Bariloche there is only a few miles on dirt , you will be fine
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    Thanks, Knight! Great info—too bad I️ didn’t look at it before arriving just now in Rio Gallegos. Fun ride nonetheless, much more enjoyable today in the sun than in a full-on rain all the way south.

    I plan to ride Ruta 40 north. I️ think I️ could veer off of that route and cross into Chile at Morro Chico, and then ride on the Chilean side until crossing back at either Puerto Natales or Cerro Castillo to pick up Ruta 40 again. I️ plan to stay in Tres Lagos tomorrow night.

    Wonder if it’s worth two more border crossings? Also, how’s the fuel and lodging availability on Ruta 40 south of Bariloche? I️ can camp if need be so fuel is more important. For reference, I️ have a range of about 230 miles. A local said that north of Bariloche it’s all paved and plenty of fuel at least until Mendoza.
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    There is gas on 40 at the turn off to Torres del Paine NP
    The border crossing only took about 10 minutes

    There is gas and lodging in Bajo Caracoles , but not much else

    I crossed from Chile around Bariloche , I really enjoyed Chile's lake district
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    Yep, rode it yesterday. I'd been told "It sucks", but it didn't. However, there is a sign that says it is impassable on rainy days - I can believe this as much of it was hard packed mud!
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    Hi Parcero - I have just ridden much of that route, going south. I've not been to Morro Chico yet, but looking at the maps I surmise the route heading south to there from the R40 will be a very small unpaved and probably unused track. In fact I cannot see a border crossing there on i-Overlander. You would probably have to go south from Rio Gallegos on 3, then join the 255 then go north on the 9.
    I'm now in Pto Natales. The border to Argentina at Dorotea is quick and easy and roads are mostly good. Sticking to the R40 going north takes you on a 70km section of gravel, but it was fairly easy. I'm riding solo, and saw three cars on that bit. The rest of it is good paved road until you come to another 60 km section of gravel south of Gobanador Gregores.
    I'm planning to have a day trip to Torres Del Paine tomorrow, then another night back here (Pto Natales). Hostel Camino de Santiago is excellent.
    If you have time you should stop off in El Calefate and / or El Chaten on your way north. I don't know if you know Tres Lagos, but there is nothing there (but there IS a gas station and a few houses etc).
    Gobanador Gregores is a bit of a hole, but there is a hotel and gas station.
    North of there is Bajo Caracoles as Knight says, with rooms and gas but little else. Perito Moreno, then Esquel are the next possible stops with gas and accommodation. North of Esquel up to San Carlos de Bariloche is no problem - very nice riding.
    You could even take a detour via Trevelin to Cholila (I did) to see the place where Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid holed up in the early 1900's!
    If you get toPto Natales tomorrow, let me know!
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    PS Parcero, there is a lodge that looks nice at the eastern end of Lago Viedma. Probably at La Leona on Google maps. A much better bet (if it is open) than Tres Lagos.
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    LooseNut1, this is a HUGE help. Lots of probably outdated information out there that was telling me that fuel availability was very scarce. Based on the fuel availability in your post, I️ should be fine and dandy.
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    Parcero, you may not be quite so fine and dandy! Going north from Perito Moreno the next gas is at a small place called Tecka, 435 km up the R40. I didn't ride down this bit, but a mate did and he needed to top up from a jerry can. I came down through Coyhiaqui in Chile, having come down the Carretera Austral. A really nice ride if you are OK with gravel and have the time, and no fuel problems. Good luck!
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    I ended up leaving Rio Gallegos super early and took R5 to hook up with R40 at El Cerrito. After that I road 40 all the way to Rio Mayo, which is about 85 miles north of Perito Moreno. Staying at a nice little estancia outside of town with wood burning stoves for heat.

    I was cooking on La 40 and made better time than I thought since all but the 72 km stretch that you described was smooth as silk tarmac, and from the looks of it, most was relatively new. The gravel section was easy enough as you said, except where the grader just came through and laid a thick, loose bed of gravel. That almost took me down and did take down another rider from Brazil who was riding two-up with his wife. I helped lift his bike and gave him a strap to secure a broken pannier. Both rider and passenger were unscathed.

    Scenery was fantastic, and fuel was plentiful. I gassed up at Esperanza, Tres Lagos, Gobernador Gregores, Bajo Caracoles, and then Perito Moreno. There’s gas here at Rio Maya, too, and Tecka gps’s out to 195 mikes away, which is doable gas-wise but a wee bit tight. I’ll see if there are any other options mañana.
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