Punched my left turn ticket

Discussion in 'Face Plant' started by jtatknox, Dec 18, 2012.

  1. Harry94025

    Harry94025 Been here awhile

    Feb 14, 2010
    Hi All,

    This is the classic case of "inattentive blindness". There was a book written about this and other "tricks" our minds play titled, "The Invisible Gorilla". Their website: http://www.theinvisiblegorilla.com/ Check out the videos and demos...

    When I read this book, I was struck by the realization of why car drivers don't see us. The invisible gorilla test indicates that most car drivers are only looking for other cars or road signs/signals and may indeed not see a motorcycle rider in clear view. I see other riders mostly because I like motorcycles and want to know what they're riding, even when I'm in my car.

  2. duke944

    duke944 Adventurer

    Oct 10, 2012
    State Farm is a terribly insurance company, they commonly try to worm their way out of paying legitimate claims.
    You did 2 things wrong here; first, ALWAYS call the cops when an accident occurs. Before this Asshole had the chance to talk himself out of feeling bad for a shitty driving move that could have gotten you killed, he would have admitted to the cop at the scene what happened. This would have resulted in a ticket for failure to yield, giving State Farm less of an argument to worm out of paying (although there is no guarantee, we are talking about State Fucking Farm here).
    Second, you should have gotten an estimate from the dealer for full repair and ask for nothing less than that. Submitting some arbitrary number based on your own work and used parts will never impress an insurance adjuster, it only makes him think you are easily blown off.
  3. middleview

    middleview gizmo

    Aug 26, 2007
    Montreal, Quebec
    [Now I am thinking: brighter headlights? Modulator?]

    This left-turn thing is my #1 nightmare. But, I've been riding with Skeen Designs Photon Blasters for the past 7 months and I'm sure they've alerted at least one or two drivers in a way even headlights won't. They're "strange" to oncoming drivers and seem to get noticed when headlights - all 3 of them - don't. Just sayin. Your experience with ATGATT is inspirational. Last summer my wife and I sweated through a week of 100+ days in the Balkans in full summer gear envying the locals in their t-shirts, shorts and flip-flops.... except that in Albania they don't post speed limits, you know where to slow down by the number of memorials erected for the dead along the roadway!

    Thanks for posting!:clap
  4. bwanajames

    bwanajames Lone Wolf

    Dec 25, 2011
    Colorful Colorado
    After seeing an RT coming down the highway with a modulator and noticing how he really stood out from the surrounding traffic, I ran down to Kisan Electronics and installed one in my 1100RS. What a difference! I immediately noticed that people were a lot more polite and waited for me to pass when they otherwise would have just pulled out. Best insurance policy ever.

    They come with a light sensor that only allows the modulator to function during daylight hours and only then when it's on high beam. Low beam turns it off in daylight. The sensor turns it off at night.

    Some motorist find them a little annoying. But frankly, I find getting run over to be a bit annoying.

    It could extend your life expectancy. :thumb
  5. Racersteve

    Racersteve Adventurer

    Dec 26, 2012
    Sorry, I stopped reading after the two minor injuries. As IF we care how damaged the machine we ride is, if it saves us. You dressed, sorry, "geared up", for a potential crash, and it saved you. Your "iron horse" can be repaired, or sometimes not. While we all appreciate our bikes, sometimes they take one for the team. Very pleased for your outcome.
  6. jtatknox

    jtatknox Adventurer

    Jun 26, 2012
    State Farm is paying for everything!

    Don't give up, guys.
  7. jimhaleyscomet

    jimhaleyscomet Been here awhile

    Jul 5, 2009
    THANK YOU for posting this!!!! I often weave for visibility but did not know that it is a recommended practice.

  8. steve_k

    steve_k Long timer

    Jul 19, 2008
    Seattle area
    I don't know what the chances are of a State Farm rep seeing this post.... But I wouldn't want them seeing it!
  9. Retired-N-Roamin

    Retired-N-Roamin Retired and Roamin

    Nov 26, 2012
    NorCal - for a while longer... Then?
    My moniker - Retired-N-Roamin - is what I did last summer with my pickup (bike loaded in the bed) and RV trailer. I was in position to be heading east on I90 in central Montana just as the gathering at Sturgis was ending. In just one day I literally saw several thousand bikes from a head-on perspective.

    As you might expect a traditional single headlight with a 'normal' incandescent bulb is difficult to visually parse from the background clutter.

    Many Harley's have a lightbar with 3 lights in a horizontal plane - same comment as above - hard to see.

    What stood out was the HID bulbs. Either bright white - or better yet, bright blue. At least the bikes with these were easier to see against the background of dry grass that lined the interstate and median.

    Better yet were bikes with two headlights that 8" to 12" apart. Distinctive even with 'normal' incandescent bulbs, but very good visibility with the HID bulbs.

    Best - the absolute best visibility I observed in these several thousand bikes was the combination of an HID headlight and two bright lights (HID or LED?) low down on the fork legs forming a triangle. This combination always got my attention.

    The first time I saw this was on Lolo Pass in Idaho. As you might know, Lolo is renowned for its twisty nature. There are not lots of long straights. But I just happened to be on one - perhaps 3/4 of a mile long. This particular bike entered the east side of the straight just after I made the corner on the west side. Bright blue lights in the triangle formation immediately caught my attention. At about a 1/2 mile separation I could easily see the triangle of lights.

    Further, I looked above the lights and I saw a white 'blob' - even at a 3rd of a mile away. As they bike got closer I was able to make out that the white 'blob' was actually the top 1/4 of the pillion's helmet. Even closer I noted the rider had on a shiny black helmet. Perhaps the contrast between the black/white allowed me to see the white further away. But this was a shady tree lined section of the road so maybe the black just blended with the shadows.

    So... as I went east on I90 I started looking at all the bikes going west from Sturgis. I even looked in my truck mirrors to see what I could about visibility from the rear.

    Here's my observations.

    Visibility from the front

    • White helmets stand out. High-vis yellow and orange are (sort of) surprisingly less visible on bright sunny days.
    • Lights - as above. The bright white or blue triangle is an attention getter. I consistently saw bikes with this light setup from more than 2 miles away on the interstate.
    • Lights - incandescent bulbs are pitiful and can't be easily distinguished from background clutter for more than 1/3 to 1/2 mile.
    • Headlight modulators - better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick - may be good in urban traffic situations but out on the interstates - not so much. That said, I have one on my mid-sized cruiser style bike and the local-yokels in rural Texas did seem to move to the far right of their lane when we met head on and the modulator was running. But it could have been a combination of my white helmet and the flashing light that fooled 'em into thinking I might be a LEO. Dunno fer sure as I never asked any of 'em.
    • Any color helmet but white is a non-starter as far as visibility goes. Why do folks wear black gear if they are concerned about cagers seeing them? Must still be 'cool' to wear black in the mortuary.

    Visibility from the rear

    • Bikes with bags are more visible from the rear than those without - duh. Bigger surface area to see.
    • Colors - two colors really stood out as being visible - bright yellow and that (to my eyes and aesthetic) ugly orange that Harley painted some of their bikes. Any other color - white included - and I'm talking all shades of blues, grays, reds and greens just blended into the background clutter and was lost to the eye very quickly. Of course black is a complete non-starter as far as visibility goes.
    I cannot speak of lighting on the back of bikes as we were on the interstate going in opposite directions at a combined 140-150 MPH. But I operate with the theory that more is better and flashing brake lights can't be bad.

    From the rear the ultimate visibility combination was yellow - either the bike itself (with panniers/saddle bags) or yellow strapped on luggage/bags and a white helmet. Bright yellow was easily visible as far as I could see - estimated to be 2+ miles on the straight stretches of the interstate.

    Again, at a distance bright fluorescent helmets and vests did not increase the bikes overall visibility. This may change when dealing with a few hundred feet instead of hundreds of yards.

    My recently purchased gear is a light gray Olympia jacket with lots of reflective strips and contrasting black trim patches. I believe the mix of dark and light makes it more visible. And of course my completely white helmet.

    As always, your experience and opinions may be different and your mileage may vary.