Putting bike on center stand without passenger rails?

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  1. Bento

    Bento 2017 GS Rallye

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    Hi,

    I'm still debating myself wether to replace my pillion seat with a luggage rack for my RTW adventure next year. Like so:
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    Two things I'm concerned about:
    1. Not being able to give someone a ride if you encounter a broken down fellow biker. Not really a big one but still :-)
    2. How to put the bike up on the center stand without the grab rails at the back? Especially when it's all loaded up and heavyish.
    Ideas? Or would this stupidly expensive grab handle do the trick? https://www.wunderlich.de/shop/en/lifting-handle-26200-202-1.html
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  2. JimVonBaden

    JimVonBaden "Cool" Aid!

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    I grab the frame next to the foot pegs, never an issue. As for the passenger, I have ridden bitch when my Triumph broke down on a panel like yours. Took lots of crap for it too. It wasn't that bad. It was, however, terrifying. My friend and I together exceeded 500 pounds and he was a little caught off guard on the twisty road.
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  3. Bento

    Bento 2017 GS Rallye

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    Hi Jim,

    Did not even think about still being able to sit on a piece of metal haha. You could even fix a little cushion together with a plastic bag and some clothes.

    Will try to put my bike up by grabbing it by the pegs, thanks for that tip.
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  4. usgser

    usgser Long timer

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    On an 05 GS I installed a lift handle to the sub-frame. Think it came from Wunderlich(?) Worked well even with loaded Jesse bags.
    Yeah good to haul a stranded biker out of the woods to a paved road but you're not a paid limo service so he sits on what ya got avail or he waits for the next rider, or he walks. "his" choice.
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  5. Aviatordoc

    Aviatordoc BMW R1200 GSA LC rider

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    If you are doing it correctly, you do not need much leverage to pull back. Its mostly the down force by the foot and rocking back. Again, a fully weighed down bike may change this.
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  6. emidyl

    emidyl Been here awhile

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    my cases are usually on and don't even use the handle, just gets in the way for me. Mostly foot and rock back
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  7. beemerphile

    beemerphile Long timer

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    Wrap a Softhook around a frame rail. Grab the softhook by the opposite loop and pull mightily. I use this method always on my R12GS so that I don't have to bend to reach it and endanger my aged back.

    https://www.motosport.com/ancra-soft-hooks
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  8. x32792

    x32792 Retired Cracker American

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    On my '16 GS LC, there is a long silver frame strut on the left side. The pillion peg mount attaches to this strut. On the underside of this strut, 5"-6" behind the pillion peg mount, you'll find a smooth plastic wheel well mud guard attached. This is a perfect place to grab your bike - a perfect handle. Step on the center stand, pull up on the OEM 'handle' and your bike should pop up. NOTE: I don't have big panniers on my bike.
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  9. Gezerbike

    Gezerbike Hey Rocky...........

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    If you truly are on a RTW tour, I doubt you'll have room for much of anything behind you other than gear.

    Edit: I ended up going with the stupidly expensive Sidekicker sidestand for many of the reasons / issues presented above. It solved all of them, but at a steep price. Would I buy another ? You bettcha. Loaded with camping gear, I had to stand on the foot peg of a bike leaning over, putting more stress on the sidestand and mounting area for it. Then I had to get it up off the sidestand. Another pain. Also had to worry where to park with all that weight ( try finding a flat spot in Ouray ). I now can adjust the bike to the terrain. No more putting the weight on the sidestand since I can adjust how perpendicular I'd like the bike to be. After 2 or so years of ownership, the cost of it is now immaterial......I rarely if ever use the centerstand outside of my garage anymore.
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  10. motolover

    motolover rookie

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    I wonder why would anybody want to put a fully loaded bike on a center stand? I put is on it only to do some maintenance, change tyres and such.
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  11. One MO Rider

    One MO Rider Adventurer

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    Reasons I have done so include camping in high winds or storms and concerned about bike tipping over.
    Another is hotel/motel parking lots to prevent accidental or asshole tip overs.

    Some people just park it on center stand way regardless of need however, so partially with you on this one.
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  12. motolover

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    My fully loaded bike weighs 330-340kg. It never tips over in winds. However, I park it with the direction of winds in mind or hide behind a wall or something. It is very difficult for me to put it on a center stand with my 75kg, so I don't even bother with it.
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  13. JimVonBaden

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    Same here.
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  14. JimVonBaden

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    This comes up occasionally. The bike is much more stable in wind on the side stand than the center stand.
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  15. tentative_rider

    tentative_rider Wanna Be On Gravel

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    I have put the Wunderlich grab handle on my last 3 bikes. It's the best answer to the problem of getting the bike up on the center stand IMHO, well worth the $. The positioning of the handle is nice and low, gives better mechanical advantage for short people (like me).

    Basically it's just like the OEM lift handle on my '97 R1100RT, except that one was a lovely curved and sculpted piece of polished aluminum which blended in perfectly with the bike's styling cues and was spring loaded so it tucked itself away automatically.

    Are you listening, BMW?

    And I left the passenger seat on but I am definitely not riding around the world.

    I found for my use that the passenger seat with OEM top case mount rails is a great way to carry my duffel, and I can still mount the topcase If I want, it's much less susceptible to crash damage than side cases (I use soft panniers for my off pavement adventures). The passenger seat is pretty much flush with the plate of the BMW top case mount and the side rails so it's a great flat surface from front to back and also non-slip, the duffel doesn't move around at all even on the roughest tracks.

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  16. hammick

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    You guys should have submitted a pic to the Guiness Book of World Records :imaposer

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  17. JimVonBaden

    JimVonBaden "Cool" Aid!

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    Meh, I have another, now gone, friend who was 500 pounds on his own, plus his 200 or so pound GF. Broke the frame on a K1200LT.
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  18. bobbybob

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    The OP was really asking whether he should even make the switch to a pillion plate. I would tell him no. I did this for a couple of years because I convinced myself the bike would handle somehow better with this weight moved closer to the center of mass and a little lower also, plus I liked the way it looked. When I undid all this back to stock, I couldn't tell any difference in handling, but I could once again EASILY get the bike on center stand---plus access the under-seat area for wiring accessories/ etc. I would not do it again, lot of hassle with no gain. But I have a Black Dog pillion plate I'll make you a great deal on! :D

    Edit: I mounted a topcase on the pillion plate but I assume you will use it to strap down "stuff" for your trip.
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  19. Gone Troppo

    Gone Troppo Somewhat bemused observer

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    I hear you! :lol3

    I also replaced my seat with the OEM plate and mounted a vario top box on it - thereby losing the very useful grab rails.


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    I used the vario box for overnight and 2-3 day trips....but it was inconvenient as space was limited in the box, you couldn't swing your leg over to get on and it was a bastard to get the bike on the centre stand.

    I have an XR at the moment, but will probably move back to a GS next year. When I do, I will use this really smart passenger seat replacement box:



    And standard vario side boxes to get the weight lower down....and provide more space.
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  20. Retired and lovin it

    Retired and lovin it Been here awhile

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    I roll bike back as I stand on the centerstand and usually rolls right up without lifting.
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