Question for New Mexico Riders

Discussion in 'The Rockies – It's all downhill from here...' started by shoco, Sep 5, 2013.

  1. Kitteh

    Kitteh Adventurer

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    It would be completely impossible out here to have signs at every road... There are such huge networks of roads in the gas fields, and checkerboards of tribal and private property.

    You are also completely responsible to know if you are riding/hunting/whatever on private property or not, so it's not really so different in that respect.

    My friend got hassled while riding a horse in a bar ditch beside a road - the county road is "US Property", but the Utes lay claim to the bar ditch. I think he would have taken her horse away and made her walk home if he'd had a trailer. :)

    I also agree about being careful during hunting season, and be aware that tribal land is usually heavily patrolled during hunting season. :D

    BTW, OP, y'outta come up North and ride in Farmington or Durango with some of us.
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  2. TNC

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    I spent a day and night in that Manzano mountains area last year coming back from CO in August. It's really quite beautiful and extremely uncrowded. There are quite a few back roads in this area that meander all around in that section of national forest. The only people I ran into were a few backcountry wood cutters getting ready for winter. It was kind of neat.
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  3. selaznog

    selaznog Avoiding pavement

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    Have you tried Indian Service route 60? It is clearly on maps and visible from Google Earth. Are there locked gates? :ear
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  4. TNC

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    Though I didn't go completely to the end of it, I recall seeing a sign on forest road 422 in the forest that showed it running to hwy 60 to the south as suggested by krishl. I see only one trail/road running to and through the west end of the forest called Grand Enchantment Trail, but on GE it looks like there might be a fence/gate at the border of Indian land.
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  5. wbbnm

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    Old timers (older than me) say they used to get permission from the Isleta governor to ride it. I suspect this ended around 1970.

    You can get to the east end of the Isleta road as an offshoot of the forest road that runs parallel to and north of the Tajique road into 4th of July canyon. Guys I ride with say there is a locked gate and No Trespassing signs at that end. My Garmin maps say it is FR 321.

    BTW this is a great primitive road, far more fun than the Tajique road.


    When I first moved here in 1969 we used to take a road over the mountains at the southern end of Kirtland or Sandia base as it was known then. It came out just off Raven road about where you can get at some of the Otero canyon trails.

    We did this up until maybe 1974 when they closed it.

    I worked for Sandia and we used the west part of the road for a project we were working on. Which was how I found out about it.
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  6. krishl

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    Hiking in the Manzanos is a really lonely business. Much more likely to see a bear or bobcat than a person. There are also cougars and bighorn sheep, in addition to the more mundane elk and mulies.

    I have tried from the east side (Escobosa) and found a locked gate with hiking access only.

    The Grand Enchantment Trail is a long-distance hiking trail, from Albuquerque to Phoenix by way of Sandias, Manzanos, Magdalenas, San Mateos, Gila, and ....
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  7. krishl

    krishl Rocket Engineer

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    I will have to check that out. I have explored some of the jeep trails off of the Tajique road, but not all of them.
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  8. TNC

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    krishl, that Grand Enchantment trail on GE is a road from what I can see. Of course, not saying that one can't hike on it, just saying it really looks like an established, well used, 2-track road. Check it out on GE and see what you think. Still looks like a possible fence/gate at the Indian border, however. I can't recall if I went on this road or not in my meanderings there last year. Since the whole forest section there isn't that vast, I wasn't too concerned about getting lost and didn't have a good map of this area.

    On your comment about wildlife there, a forest service guy came by in the evening just poking around, and we talked a bit. He said to be on the lookout for a big cinnamon colored brown bear that was hanging out in that campground regularly. At some point during the night...in my van...I heard some big time clanging on one of the large, bear-proof, campground trash cans that probably couldn't have been anything but a bear. There wasn't another soul staying in the campground. Kind of glad I was in the van.:lol3
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  9. shoco

    shoco Not So Gnarly Adventurer

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    Just thought I'd report back on my ride. Got finished a little while ago. 201 miles total.

    A BIG thank you to Krishl for the road suggestions. It was exactly what I was looking for.

    Click Here for a map of the route.

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  10. TNC

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    Very nice. That Red Canyon campground is a very nice spot. It's amazing how that section of forest and mountains is pretty much sitting out there on its own. It reminds me a bit of the Chisos Mountains in Big Bend NP...somewhat out of place. You didn't get run over by bunches of tourists there did you?:lol3
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  11. krishl

    krishl Rocket Engineer

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    You're welcome! Thanks for sharing your trip. Good to see you discovered El Cedro too. What's next?
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  12. shoco

    shoco Not So Gnarly Adventurer

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    I'm not positive, but possibly THIS

    I'm certainly open to suggestions. :ear
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