R1200GSA - the TFT problem again

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  1. modular

    modular Been here awhile

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    Hello everyone,

    Ok, the TFT problem again. This has happened to me once about a month ago. Early in the morning when I picked up the bike the TFT screen didn’t turn on. At the end of the day it was working.

    Yesterday, same thing, yet this happened at the end of the day after a full day riding the bike flawlessly. TFT screen didn’t turned on, but everything else worked (lights, turn signals, etc…). This morning was OK again.

    Anyone had this problem? Any idea what might be causing this? I am taking the bike next week to the dealer to check this out. It’s such a pain when this happens to a brand new bike!


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  2. JimVonBaden

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    Likely a poor connection on the cable going to the TFT. Still, not good, especially without the GPS as a backup.
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  3. swiss-happy

    swiss-happy Rubberburner Joe

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    Touch wood. My TFT switches on every time...I think I switched it on for like 10 times in total. She's new.


    However I do have another problem.

    The TFT is paired with my handphone and the Connected App is not talking nicely to the TFT.
    It does not show Navi on the TFT and it does not record the journey.
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  4. Goss

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    The new KTM 1290SAR owners appear to be having the similar issues with their TFT displays.
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  5. Desmofan

    Desmofan Been here awhile

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    I have a buddy with a 1290R, and I can confirm that: multiple failures. I don't think TFT's are ready for prime time in the shocking M/C world :lurk
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  6. scfrank

    scfrank Old farts riding club.

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    I worked in the electronics industry most of my career. I am amazed at how poor this shit is. Don’t they field test it? How hard can it be?

    Do the same problems exist in cars?

    I assume there are military applications that are more complex that work always.
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  7. Goss

    Goss LC8 Adventurer

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    I have two Ford pickups and they use the TFT display in the center of the dash for the drivers info center. Lots of sub menus and controls interaction and neither has ever failed to come on or function for me. Seems to be a rush to market if two brands having similar problems. Is the BMW also a Bosch unit ?
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  8. JimVonBaden

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    They exist in cars, but cars and bikes just do not really compare. Exposure, vibration, etc. all makes motorcycles a more challenging environment.
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  9. JetSpeed

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    No problem with the robustness of TFT displays, Garmin has been using them for years in the Zumo's and same goes for the BMW Nav GPS many of us have, the problems being reported now on essentially new machines are more than likely production issues that will get cleared up quickly.
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  10. misanthropic

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    Same with keyless setups it doesn’t seem to be a problem in the auto industry. Motos have been a different story.
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  11. JetSpeed

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    That's news to me.
    Google "keyless entry problem" and 1.4 million results show up and I dare to say how many pages (hundreds) you would have to read through before finding a motorcycle issue.
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  12. misanthropic

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    Ok you win. I didn’t do a google search and didn’t start driving keyless cars until 2014 but we’ve had no problems with our Toyota or Mazda. Maybe there were teething problems that the moto has industry cold have learned lessons from? It’s great technology and that I’m sure will get worked out.
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  13. philratton

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    Keyless has been flawless for 2 years on my Harley. No problem with the tech at all.
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  14. scfrank

    scfrank Old farts riding club.

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    I understand that. That means it requires different design and more testing, in the expected environment. We made equipment that went onto explosive environments. We made damn sure they didn’t fail. Certainly there are cost constraints, I just don’t think the customers should do the field testing.
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  15. Deano747

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    Ditto the keyless on my 7 y/o Harley. Never a problem.

    Never a problem with displays on GPS's over more than 10 years.

    Never a problem with TFT displays in more than 25 years of Commercial Aviation, and more than 10 years of high vibration in Military Helicopters.

    Do you get the feeling that BMW quality control is slipping?
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  16. TuonoBiker

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    Everyone has mentioned TFT's in other environments not failing... explosive environments, aeronautics, etc. I would say those environments are much higher dollar environments with far more "on the line" if there is a failure.

    I think what we tend to see in the consumer realm is just the typical "built it as cheap as we can get away with" mentality. Not that they are producing junk, necessarily, just skimping where possible.

    In the end, not having one second of hands-on experience even looking at the new TFT's, I'd guess we're seeing a production issue of some sort. It's not really new technology...what could possibly go wrong?!? :D

    Like Deano747 suggested...maybe a quality control thing.
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  17. scfrank

    scfrank Old farts riding club.

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    You're right. The cost weighs heavy in consumer product design decisions. I don't think these issue have anything to do with TFTs per se. They are just the most recent product failure. I think it shows a lack of rigorous testing and appropriate design decisions. We had a very strict design review process and I'm sure BMW has too. Whether or not they pay attention to the data is another matter. I don't think their recent track record is very good. They are not unique in this regard. I also think BMW has a poor record regarding Supplier Quality. Whether or not that will change my next purchase decision is another question.
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  18. Tor

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    A Milspec TFT would take the bike to ~ $35000 :lol3
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  19. ragtoplvr

    ragtoplvr Long timer

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    given that many modern integrated circuits are no longer made after 10 years, in order to ride these bikes and cars in the distant future there will need to be some pretty extensive aftermarket solutions and rewiring done. Modern vehicles just do not age well, and are more throwaway appliances than ever.

    I expect that an old reliable analog gauges costs more than TFT displays.

    Rod
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  20. TuonoBiker

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    That's all we need!!! :D

    Don't forget...mil-spec is just a specification. And it's still built by the lowest bidder for the job! :D
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