R80/7 + a newb = a long road to cafe

Discussion in 'Airheads' started by benthic, Jan 8, 2012.

  1. some_guy

    some_guy Been here awhile

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    Hah. I have those same bar ends and speedo in my wishlist. Let us know how they work out. I was wondering if you could fit a bar end mirror on these too. Something like this.
  2. Player B

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    Very interested in how bright you get those bar end signals to be. I have them on my bike and they're barely noticeable from a cars perspective unless its dark out. (but they do look super slick)

    My rear turnsignals which are also LEDs are very bright though. I did install resistors in the back to get the relay to function properly, I wonder if I need them up front too?
  3. benthic

    benthic glutton 4 punishment

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    Proud member #13044:) I am mostly healed. I have some shiny new pink skin on my arm and leg that is still tender, but the scabs are all gone:)

    I know the bar end signals will work with the bar end mirrors - I have bar end mirrors on the bike right now and the holes in the end of the bars are unencumbered:)

    Yeah, those bar end signals are advertised as "markers" or some such, not actual turn signals so I don't expect mine will be any brighter than what you describe but I wanted to try them;) I just determined that not a single bulb broke in any of my lights so I should just have to do a little bending to get my signals back to normal. I had thought I would switch to LED if they were busted.

    I was finally in the garage last night! I got Chuck's center stand on and the front brakes working. I started fixing the valve cover mounting hole - waiting for jb weld to set. There is still some weirdness with the brake mc, but at least the front brakes engage now.

    Lights! So it seems like the busted euro light switch - the switch that lets me turn the headlight OFF - is what is preventing the brake and headlight from working. I couldn't figure out how to remove the switch guts from the housing, but I'd like to see if I can wire up/graft on a replacement switch... but aside from that, none of the light bulbs broke, and I can get them all to turn on - how crazy is that!?

    foot pegs! So I THINK my muffler mounts are straight - looks like the muffler mounting bolts sheared right off and saved the mount. I think. However, the rear set on the right side did kind of dimpled the mounting hole. But i think i can get it working with some washers or something to "bridge" the "dimple".


    My biggest concern at the moment, is the subframe. I think I'm going to put Aric's subframe on my bike this weekend to verify that mine is bent. The Acewell speedo also gives me pause because I've read that installation can go smoothly, or roughly. AND I have to wire up the GEN light somehow. not my forte. good times.

    Oh! And the new EPCO peashooter mufflers might be here by Saturday! and my new jacket should get here today :)

    I think that is it for now!
    Happy Friday!

    Spencer
  4. hardwaregrrl

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    ...all good news!!!! Glad you're healing well and the bike is going to be repaired!!!! Looking forward to updates!
  5. Bill Harris

    Bill Harris Confirmed Curmudgeon

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    Dermal regeneration taking place, new parts arriving daily and like I told you these old bikes are like tractors.

    And here on the South Coast, got the Hannigan fairing put on, the S-bars installed and I'll be obsessing over last-minute details this (rainy) weekend. And I'm going for a ride today before the rain closes in.

    Let me tellya, life can't get much better, can it? :D
  6. benthic

    benthic glutton 4 punishment

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    My new jacket from Roland Sands showed up on friday and fits great:) It has armor in the elbows, shoulders, and back. I also got knee armor for wearing under my pants.

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    The bike is back on the lift!

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    I filled the fissures with JB weld and made sure the sealing surfaces were flat and clean. Made sure there was no debris on the valves and put the "new" valve cover on.

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    I took the rear wheel off for convenience since I was messing around with the subframe and shocks and stuff. the axle didn't come out real easy and actually the tophat was stuck on it and pulled the hub seal out so i'm going to check the axle for straightness.

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    lots of dirt on the inside of the hub, probably from flipping around on the road.

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    the sheared off muffler mount bolts! crazy! they didn't want to come out, but I am persistant;)

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    I put some used headers on and took the bent subframe off.

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    the headers didn't fit great. either the side stand is bent or these headers are a little more beat up than they looked. I think i'm just going to buy new headers...

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    The is the problem busted up switch.

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    I can't figure out how to get the wiring doohicky out. but when I DO, i'm going to try to wire in a replacement...

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    I got the EPCO Peashooters from wirewrkr yesterday:) They look pretty sweet! also put the donor subframe on. it is about 2" shorter than my stock frame, and my shocks don't fit perfect. with the frame securely attached and one shock bolted on the other shock is this far out of alignment. I think i'm going to hammer on the subframe a bit...

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    I took some videos of the exhaust - Peashooters and NO mufflers. the no mufflers sounded pretty sick;) niether video really does the sound justice.

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    I took apart the infamous failed tire this afternoon.

    This is my tire, a Dunlop K70, 3.25-19.

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    This is the tube the shop put in: a 2.75/3.00-21

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    you can see the difference in sizes below with the shop installed tube and a tube that I had pinched in my initial attempts, but that was the correct size.

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    found the hole in the tube as well. It is on the INside (spoke side) of the tube - see that little black circle on the tube? I circled the hole in black sharpie.

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    close-up of the hole.

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    this is the corresponding rim area.

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    I did not tear the rim tape or put the tool marks in the aluminum rim today, and it is unlikely the damage to the INside of rim happened during or after the accident. This is the ONLY area where the rim tape is damaged like this, or where any gouges that look like this are.

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    What i think happened is the shop used a screw driver or something to remove the old tube gouging the rim, they then used the wrong size tube which sat wrongly inside the tire and rubbed on those scratches until the tube was compromised. Since I had checked the tire pressure the night before, I imagine that the hole in the tube happened sometime the day of my crash, but pressure didn't get low enough until my final ride that day, and didn't give me a problem riding in a straight line on the freeway until i started changing lanes to get to my off ramp where the turning/veering broke the bead or something and i had a total failure.

    With this information, I'm going into the shop on Tuesday when they are open again, and I'm going to make sure they know what happened and that i could have been killed. and I've told my insurance co what I found. Be careful out there everyone and double check the work you're paying an expert for when you can.

    Hope everyone had a great weekend!
    Spencer
  7. villageidiot

    villageidiot Long timer

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    wow.

    the wrong size tube in the tire, hopefully you get somewhere with that

    as for the axle being hard to come out and the shocks not lining up correctly, check your swing arm.

    hope you get back on the road soon.
  8. Bill Harris

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    A 3.00-21 tube when a 3.25-19 is specified? Unbelievable.

    Yeah, what VI said. See how the axle slips into hte swingarm/final drive with no tire-- it should slip in easily. If not, the swingram is tweaked.

    Dang. I'm incensed 'bout the tire.
  9. hardwaregrrl

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    Wow! Holy shit!!! All the more reason to change your own tires/tubes!!!! And maybe look into using Heavy duty tubes in the future, they're much harder to pinch or rub a hole through, and it feels like they don't release the air as quickly. Hope it shakes out in your favor, the evidence certainly points that way.:eek1
  10. senatorperkins

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    man, just read through this. incredible thread.

    sounds like the shop really needs to hear about this now - it would be awful if it happened to someone else because of the same careless tire installer.
  11. Renner

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    is it also possible the 21" tube... having the smaller cross-sectional diameter and so not properly filling the area inside the tire.. would distend at 30+psi?

    That hole is perfectly aligned with where the tube is joined. Is that a scarf joint?

    I visited Spencer this afternoon and handled the tube.
    Following along that joint near the opening, the rubber appeared thinner there when pulled taught, as though the joint was stretched past it's yield point.

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  12. Captain Yesterday

    Captain Yesterday Been here awhile

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    WOW that's just fu*k up. That is beyond incompetence. Maybe you should talk to a lawyer about filing a negligence suit against that shop. Because that was down right irresponsible. I could see them putting a wrong size 19inch tube in there but a 21 wow that's just messed up. :cry
  13. benthic

    benthic glutton 4 punishment

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    Just a, hopefully final, update on the tire/failure.

    I went to the shop that mounted my tire yesterday (Renner was kind enough to go with me) and spoke to the owner. I had the tire, tube and rim with me, and Renner had printed out the crash photos for me. I told him what happened and showed him the tube and tire, and he was apologetic and did not try to deny anything. He was astounded that a 21" tube was put in, and while he said that it is not uncommon to find incorrect tubes installed, he admitted there was no excuse for his shop to have done it. He also agreed that the scratches in the rim + the small tube led to the flat. He brought his helper out - the guy that actually mounted my tire - and I explained it all to him as well. I believe they both understood how serious the mistake had been, and I hope that the owner talked to his helper even more after we left and hopefully no one else will have to deal with this - at least from that shop;) And hopefully the owner appreciates that he really dodged a bullet liability-wise.

    I'm both less upset and more upset though. It is great that the owner recognized the problem and accepted fault, but upsetting that they made the mistake at all - they had the correct tube in stock, they just didn't put it in whether through laziness or obliviousness, and they didn't check the rim tape. Simple stuff, you know?

    The owner offered to do whatever he could to help me rebuild, and while a nice offer, there isn't much he can do for me. While I'm sure they won't make this mistake again soon, I don't believe I'll be going back to them.

    I hope all this craziness is behind me now, and I can get back to fixing the bike, again;)

    Renner has loaned me a "known straight" subframe that I'm going to put on and see what lines up. I'm hoping against hope that the swing arm is not bent. My "new" rim and SS spokes and nipples arrived from BoxerMetal as well, so it is time to get some stuff done;)

    Lastly! Anyone have an opinion on where to buy NEW headers?

    Spencer
  14. Renner

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    I'm kicking myself for not asking the tire monkey whether he'd buy you a new tube.
    They should have handed you one.
  15. Bill Harris

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    You handled it well, but I would have been a bit more hard-nosed about it:

    That is fine that he was astounded and apologetic and that he dodged the bullet on this one. Did he offer to give you a replacment tube and refund what he charged you for the defective work? Is he planning to review his tickets and try to get all of the tire mountings his helper has done back to the shop and inspect the work done? If not, I'd suspect a credibility problem with his sincerity.

    If I had a helper who installed a seriously wrong size tube when the correct tube was in stock I'd suggest a career change for him.

    But you did OK... :deal
  16. Mike V.

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    Spencer,

    Thanks for the post-visit report. Well done. I'm glad you visited him - he (they) needed to know and I'm sharing both Bill and Renner's opinion. I'm still not satisfied, for you. I'll keep my personal opinions to myself, except to say this should have never happened. One of Bill's sentences is painfully prophetic and exposing in regards to shop/owner credibility.

    I admire your calm. Yes, time to move on I suppose. :dhorse
  17. benthic

    benthic glutton 4 punishment

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    Weeeelllll, Renner popped over this morning and we took a look at the swing arm. looks like it IS twisted.

    the axle seems straight still, and we put a square on the axle and tried to line it up with the shaft.

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    I'm seriously considering trying to get every last dime from insurance, parting out the bike, and starting with another bike... maybe a R90/6 or something... I don't want to be chasing gremlins on this bike forever.

    The good news was that I figured out that stealth switch on the left control perch. I found a correct wire diagram and modified the switch interior so i could get to the wires and mess around..

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    voila! all the lights work again. if I end up keeping the bike, i'm going to put a new switch in there:)

    I hope everyone had a great weekend!

    Spencer
  18. benthic

    benthic glutton 4 punishment

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    Reverend Chuck gave me a spare swing arm to try out and BOOM BABY! Axle slid in like butter, shocks lined up, and angels sang a chorus! I'm back in business! I'll polish this turd yet!;)

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    With a functional rear end, I'm feeling optimistic again:) Can't tell you how relieved I am the swingarm replacement solved the rear end problems and I feel ready to tackle the rest of the bike's issues:D

    Friday is almost upon us! Have a great weekend everyone!
    Spencer
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    Awesome :clap

    We need pics of that CB550
  20. benthic

    benthic glutton 4 punishment

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    a little progress.

    got my Acewell wires figured out, and have been trying to decide how to mount it.

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    typical center mounting on the top clamp

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    I kind of like it out here on the handlebar, but it interferes with the clutch lever...

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    THIS! this is where i like it. i have a test bracket in there but it is pretty rough. I'll keep working on it.

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    I have a new set of SS headers coming and they should be here this week:) I discovered tonight that i know shit about polishing. I need to figure it out so I can clean up my new rim before attempting to lace a new wheel...