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Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by Disco Dean, Mar 7, 2013.
I actually feel bad.... really.
Well, I do feel bad but I can at least feel badly while I am riding!!!!
Sorry for that. I have been on the edge of my seat all week.... post office.... home... post office....
Good luck. I feel for you!
Looking at those pics (and not the one of manxman deflated and really jealous ) it just may be angle of the shot, but the front of the fender is looking closer to the tyre than the rear. Just to explain some extra details-
That was how proto-type III (i think it was) fitted on my bike anyways. Well Mark at Ralle-Moto decided to place a spacer (2 washers) on top of the fender at the rear bolts. The thinking behind this was to have the gap slightly closer at the rear and open the gap at the front, avoiding sticky crap packing in. The closer gap may bump, cut or knife down an amount of sticky shite. Makes sense to me.
So right now I'm not sure if Ralle-Moto fitted the spacers to the finished product on my bike or whether they adjusted the program on the mill.
Them wheels look lovely in black.
IMHO that front tyre works best everywhere with 35psi. At 30psi small rocks can hit hard and while it hangs on in the twisties it moves around a little.
PS- Have a great ride on Sunday
Thanks Quirky for the advice - I noticed the difference in fender but you have a good suggestion...
And, thanks for the notes on the tire pressure - that is where I am starting with the front so I will note that and go from there.
And.... will do have a good ride. Any ride you come home from is a good ride!
To be fair, if someone wanted just a Woody's 21" front wheel and the Ralle-Moto clamp it would run about $1700.00
The extra rear wheel is a luxury that both Disco and I have but not really needed.
I won't count the cost of the tires as you have to buy tires regardless of what size of wheels you are running. Also a dealer isn't needed to do the clamp install. The only thing that is a bit tricky is dealing with the 46mm ball joint nut. Other than that it's straight forward.
Don't you need longer fork tubes to account for the higher wheel? The clamp fits into the stock tubes?
+1 manxman. You don't need to go all out to have the gains of the 21.
And after riding with the triple lamp I'd suggest any GS owner to get one. It helps that much.
No you don't need longer forks. The suspension travel stats the same. What you do is raise up all the mounting an hardware bits enough to give more clearance for the tire and muck. It clamps the tubes in the same spot and the ball joint geometry looks to not change. Just the spacing.
Did some dirt dirt trials today up and down and around some local construction. Very big a good change with the TKC's and the 21. Tomorrow is the real test. First set of TKC's and they are really nice - even on the road.
I'm almost sold on this but I need more descriptions of actual performance. Is it better in ruts, hills, mud, etc? How and why? I'm prone to do expensive upgrades just because it is fun wrenching. I'm trying to end that and do that which is functionally noticeable. I'm waiting with baited breath...
I'll attach some threads on the whole subject.
IMO if you use your bike for 50/50 road/offroad, and if your dirt road riding is on a serviced road that 2wd cars can travel, just don't bother. No benefits worth while. For this I believe the standard setup is best. On dirt roads in good nick the bike feels better on the original wheels.
But If you end up on 4wd type twin track often that gets rough, loose, tight and slippery. This is when the larger front wheel is tops. Larger diameter rolls over obstacles and all surfaces easier. Narrower tyres grip slippery off-road surfaces better. The handlebar's require less muscle These wheels are tougher and easier to repair. The setup saves weight (unsprung weight) which = WOW!
Raising the front of the GS 5/8" with the 21" wheel you in theory are increasing trail/rake which can help stabilize control in loose stuff. (I run 18" on the rear and 1" higher at the rear.)
Downside is the bike looses an amount of tarmac cornering manners which f#%ks with my confidence. A Dunlop 908rr on the front has a bit to do with it as well.
I ended up with this setup because of a $500 repair for a dinged cast wheel. (when I first got my bike, I didn't imagine going bush with it) BMW wheels were going to cost lots more. So why not? I love riding this big over sized, overpowered pig through the bush.
-So first I done the wheels.
-Then fark this front 21" is light and twitchy on tar, so got the
Ralle-Moto steering damper.
-Suspension was now too soft for my new off-road abilities so on with
WESA, just a note that I should have got this much sooner & is gr8.
- Flipping mud and spray everywhere from running no fender on the front.
Ralle-Moto to the rescue with triple clamp.
The Ralle-Moto triple clamp firms up the front end. Less twisting and deflection with tons more feedback. Damn sure it's worth having with or without the 21" wheel.
Ralle-Moto triple clamp project
Woody's 21" vs 19" OEM
R1200GS with 21" front wheel
Ralle-Moto steering damper
Woody's Wheels Pic's & story
That'll keep ya busy for a couple of hours and hope it helps.
What have I missed?
Thank so much. Exactly what I was looking for. What is WESA?
Agree with all of the above... My ride today was pretty tame for off road. But here is the run down.
Loose soft new gravel
Hard pack old gravel dirt road
Rough seasonal access road
Soft moist dirt construction - slow speed
Rutted Dry hard mud sections
30 foot dirt pile and sharp 6 foot drops (steep enough for me to drag the bash plate over)
Qualifier/disclaimer: I have not been in any soft sand or major rocky terrain or deep mud. I have only spent two days riding the thing with this setup. I have never used the TKC's before so that might be tempering my judgement.
Report: The 21 inch shows little or no change on pavement - it is a bit slower but the losses in turn-in compared to the gains in dirt is no comparison. I was much more confident in the loose gravel and had fun roosting it up and sliding around - the front felt planted and did not feel like nosing in/plowing like the 19 did. Much more stable in faster loose gravel and transitions from side to side of road. In the soft stuff - trials like riding slow speed standing up the results are even more impressive. Rolling over the deep ruts and in and out of them was no problem.
Ralle-moto triple clamp.... without a doubt the biggest and most noticeable change up front and highly recommended. Very stable with both the 19 and 21. Makes all the difference in the world. One of my buddies questioned the fact the increased stiffness might take away some feel but I suggest the opposite is true.
TKC's: Gotta say my first pair and even with the narrow 90/90 front and 140 rear!!! They are incredible for what they are and even I dare say more confidence inspiring than the Heidenau's on pavement! - However I have not been in rain on them yet. They seem actually quieter and less vibration than the Scouts too - which is not tough. I will be putting my 19 inch set of wheels back on for a trip to WV soon so will be able to make a comparison.
Overal: Lots of money for sure - and you can do it for less and get the same gains with more inconvenience and less cool factor, by just adding the front 21 inch rim and switching your hardware over with no fender but... - the Woodys superlites are gorgeous and the whole set up is bling in the extreme but super tough and strong. The TKC's work very well and the Rallemoto triple clamp next to shocks is the best upgrade I have ever made.
If you have the money and feel like spending it, then this extra set of wheels is well worth it. It actually makes me feel like I have another bike or much broader options sitting in the garage taking up the space of only one bike.
My advice: Go for it.
Manxman - gotta get on the dirt my friend!!! Good luck. We had a nice long country ride today and it ended up 18c which in comparison to the snow we had two days ago is pretty awesome. Good luck.
Apologies for the abbreviation.
WESA = Wilbers suspension with BMW's ESA (electronic suspension adjustment)
Sounds like it's all a good thing. Good on ya!
So I can keep my 19" and have a more stable ride with more clearance for mud under the fender. Anything I'm missing?
Finally got here. Tubeless with all factory BMW parts.
Checked it and it's dead on for side to side and up and down run-out. Never seen a spoked wheel from BMW this straight. No wonder Woody's has such a good reputation.
Yay... very cool and nice looking deal. I especially like that little corner of the shop. I so want a tire changer. I see the slime too - never used it. Does it work well for you?
Enough questions... awesome. Glad you got your stuff. Good riding and safer journeys.
A dedicated tire changing bench/corner of shop, awesome. How about some pics of the rest of the shop? Stoked your wheel showed up. Woody made me a set a few years ago, they were so nice I felt bad putting them on the bike
Would you mind sharing what the front wheel plus the clamp cost you? Did you send Woody your hub for him to build the wheel?
Can you quantify how much extra space you would have with the RM clamp and the 19" wheel? An inch? Or does the fender end up looking like a KLR fender? I can't imagine there being much more than an inch or so of extra room.