Rally Navigator - Create Rally Roadbooks with Google Earth and GPS

Discussion in 'Racing' started by RenoMoto, Dec 29, 2012.

  1. beechum1

    beechum1 Dandole Gas al Burro

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    When you go to this link:
    http://www.google.com/earth/download/ge/agree.html

    if you haven't already, you should select the advanced setup and then the 6.2 version. I imagine this is what you're doing, so perhaps you should do a complete uninstall?(unfamilliar with mac) the reinstall
  2. RenoMoto

    RenoMoto Rally Navigator

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    Guys:

    Trust us, we are working hard to eliminate the need for the "old" Google Earth. When 7.0 was released it was buggy from the beginning,

    Thanks for your patience and feedback as we get the kinks worked out of our Beta version.

    Mike
  3. Evil Invader

    Evil Invader Been here awhile

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    Thank You for making it happen Mike! :clap:clap
  4. homerj

    homerj 742 Evergreen Terrace

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    I joined last week and have 3 rallies documented. This software rocks
  5. homerj

    homerj 742 Evergreen Terrace

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    Is there a way to insert an entry onto the roadbook with an editable mileage w.o having to find the location on the track and adding a waypoint?

    i.e. I pre-run a course and find a !!! at mile 59.75. My road book has entries at 57.2 and 61.7. When I get home can I just add a line entry on the roadbook side of the tool, enter the mileage of the hazard, and draw a tulip? Or do I need to find the hazard on the track, and insert a way point that will then appear on the RB?
  6. HogWild

    HogWild Scott Whitney

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    I think it's better to mark the spot with a waypoint in your GPS while riding, then use that GPS file to help mark the spot in RN. I use a voice recorder while prerunning to make notes. It takes too much time to make written notes. But you have to have a good memory of the visual stuff if you use voice notes.
  7. homerj

    homerj 742 Evergreen Terrace

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    I just tried that by taking the GPS co-ords of an existing turn and using the "find on map" feature in RallyNav. GE zooms off my intersection to a spot a few miles away. Possible GPS Co-ords issue with decimal degrees vs. degrees,min,seconds? :dunno RallyNav appears to be using decimal degrees. What is GE using?
  8. RenoMoto

    RenoMoto Rally Navigator

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    On our "wish list" is to import captured real world GPS tracks and Waypoints over a theoretical route in Navigator, this will allow correcting the route after a pre run in the most efficient way.

    Importing captured tracks and WP into Google Earth and referring to the Rally Navigator route to make updates/changes might be an interim solution.

    Voice recorder notes referring to dropped WP definitely help. Ex: "at waypoint #22 add double danger"

    I wish we could add these features as quickly as we think of them....lots more work to do.

    Thanks for the feedback,
    Mike
  9. homerj

    homerj 742 Evergreen Terrace

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    I just logged onto GE and it looks like they are using Deg.min.sec GPS points which would explain why when you plink in Decimal/deg into the "find on map" it moves off the intersection. So if you want to edit an existing route make sure your GPS is giving you coords in Deg,min,sec format.
  10. HogWild

    HogWild Scott Whitney

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    In the GE "Tools" menu under "Options..." on the "3D View" tab, you can set GE to use any of four Lat/Lon formats. But if you paste a set of coordinates into the GE "Search" box, it figures out what format you pasted and takes you to the correct spot, even if you've set GE to use a different format. So, GE is pretty smart in figuring out what you used. I think the setting in Tools>Options>3D View is what GE uses when it shows you coordinates, such as your cursor position and the coordinates shown in an Edit Placemark dialog box.

    To see GE interpret multiple formats, one at a time copy each of these coordinates and paste them into the GE search box. You'll see all three are the same exact spot, and GE correctly interprets each of them even though they are in different formats. But they have to be in these exact formats, or very close, else GE will not be able to interpret them.

    37.047867° -113.754133° ------------------ (DD.DDDDDD) Degrees
    37° 2.872'N 113° 45.248'W ----------------- (DD MM.MMM) Degrees Minutes
    37° 2'52.32"N 113°45'14.88"W -------------- (DD MM SS.SS) Degrees Minutes Seconds

    While you're looking at this point, tilt the view in Google Earth and check out how steep the road is at this point. Incredible! ! !

    [​IMG]
    One of my Grand Rally stages bypasses this strange point. Anyone know why I decided to not to include it in the route?
  11. homerj

    homerj 742 Evergreen Terrace

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    I think I've got it, but one more question: do you have to make those changes in my GE and then RN imports them when I open it and it access GE on my machine? Otherwise I don't see where i can change settings in the GE that RN is using.

    As for the question: is it not that spectacular in person? That road that runs off to the left of the climb is a two track, but it looks like the sidehill angle would cause a 4 wheeled vehicle to roll.

    Or, does the trail at the top not come down the other side?
  12. Jeff@TheQuadShop

    Jeff@TheQuadShop TAT survivor

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    I get this when I try to import my GPX...
    Import Daniel Boone bike.gpx failed: No "rte" elements found in GPX file.

    What does this mean?
  13. homerj

    homerj 742 Evergreen Terrace

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    I'm not an expert but googling around "rte" elements are "route elements" (vs. trk "track elements").

    Are you trying to import waypoints, or an entire route (i.e. GPS bread crumbs)? If it's just waypoints that may be the problem since there's no route ("rte"). Try making a route between the waypoints. I've used the GE i have installed on my computer (not the GE native to RN) and use the route tool to lay the route over the tracks in the satellite imagery. The more closely the GE route follows the tracks on the imagery, the closer to real world your mileage. Then convert the GE Route from KML to GPX, and import the GPX to RN.

    If you already have a breadcrumb trail then maybe a quick brute force way of getting what you want would be to run it through GPSBabel. Convert it to KML (GE's route format), then back to GPX and see if it works? It sounds like a pain, but is should only take a few min and that would isolate the problem (i.e. the file information on your GPS is somehow not right). You can then start looking at the way your GPS stores breadcrumbs to address the root cause.
  14. svenb

    svenb Been here awhile

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    Is there anyway to reset the distance in the roadbook? To start over in the same roadbook, ex after a refueling or a CP?
  15. homerj

    homerj 742 Evergreen Terrace

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    The only way I've seen to start again at zero would require you to have a second route and write it up like a new rally route. Typically CPs or fuel stops are not cause for zeroing the rally distance, although an experienced pilot will use that point as a "cardinal" point on the rally to match their rally odo to the roadbook.
  16. svenb

    svenb Been here awhile

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    Ok, I guessed that, but's its on my wishlist.
  17. Motorfiets

    Motorfiets Long timer

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    I'm having issue with the software.... :baldy

    I created a route using a .gpx file... saved it periodically.... edited all the tulips with all sorts of info... added random bridges that were crossed... etc etc etc... point is... I spent A LOT of time working on the route...

    anyways... I go to print and I save it to PDF and print a copy... I close the route and open another one... play with it for a few minutes and then open the first one again and ALL my tulip notes are gone!!!!

    all that work down the drain... :cry problem is this has happened to me 3 times already...

    what gives? :ear
  18. SteveDennehy

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    I've seen the same thing. I could recreate the problem by putting a carriage return in either the route description. What I did see is that if there is an issue, when I try to save I don't get a text message confirming "Project saved"
  19. RenoMoto

    RenoMoto Rally Navigator

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    Guys:

    This has been a persistent problem. I apologize for the headaches and lost work.

    Our developer is aware of this bug and it's TOP of the list. All the bells and whistles dont do much good if you can't save the route.

    Anyway, that's why it's "Beta". Keep the feedback coming.

    I will post when we make any updates to the code and see if this issue get sorted.

    Lots of work left to do.
  20. SteveDennehy

    SteveDennehy Steve

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    There are issues, sure, but we really, really appreciate the effort. It's a great program.
    Thanks
    :feelgood