Rally Raid Products BMW G310R/GS310

Discussion in 'Vendors' started by ktmmitch, May 25, 2017.

  1. ktmmitch

    ktmmitch Long timer

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    Best Motorcycle Wednesday, or BMW, as today is now called.
    We collected the first G310R from local BMW dealer, Wollaston BMW, this afternoon, with a view to getting a look at one as a head start on our GS310R kit, but the GS version could be a few months away.

    So, as both bikes share the same chassis and many other parts, it seemed a swift way to start development of what we think will become a very popular entry-level motorcycle, at an extremely attractive price, and backed by BMW's global support service.
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    We already new about the 310 from a suspension point of view a long time ago through our partners TracTive Suspension in the Nederlands, who manufacture all the Touratech suspension for them, plus do a lot of consultancy work for the BMW factory on upcoming models, so for us at RR, as a niche manufacturer of parts to adapt/transform well-built, but average performance, adventure/trail bikes into much more focused travel bikes, the BMW 310 model range seemed to fit our profile.
    We have done very well expanding our business, first from the KTM 690 Enduro(based on our rally experience), then lately the popular Honda CB500X, so this new market entry bike from BMW seemed a logical step, especially as we already have an inside track on the suspension already.
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  2. cronedo

    cronedo Gelände-Dreamin'

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  3. visualizerent

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    "Brilliant!"
    Looking forward to this build as Rally Raid continues to reshape the market for smaller, practical, more capable Adventure Bikes.

    Here's some pricing information on the G310R I just received from A&S Motorcycles here in California...

    Juan
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    "Hey Juan,
    We are expecting our first BMW G310R's here in July. The all inclusive price on the 2017 G310R in either the Cosmic Black or Strato Blue Metallic is $4,995+fees and the Pearl White Metallic Motorsport is $5,095+fees. Out the door, assuming Sacramento county sales tax at 8.25%, it's about $6,140 (plus about $100 for the Motorsport bike). "
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  4. jackwolfskin

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    Awsome i was waiting on this bike to come out iam trying to pick a light bike for comuting and some light offroad, hope this bike does good fuel economy i was looking for something that drinks alot less then my XRV 750
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  5. Row727

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    Just ordered my rally raid level 2 kit. Looking forward this upgrade!
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  6. kojack

    kojack AMF!

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    RR, get some 19/17 laced wheels for that moving PRONTO! ha ha....the stockers look like something from Alibaba!
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  7. cronedo

    cronedo Gelände-Dreamin'

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    ^^^ Definitely!

    Though plain silver or black would be enough for me. Those gold hoops for the CB500X RR only work based on Honda heritage. And what was Suzuki thinking with them in the new Wee Strom? :puke1
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  8. ktmmitch

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    Probably going for silver or black powder-coat, more durable than anodising, and either black or silver anodised hubs.
    It should be fairly simple to gain a bit of travel front and rear, at the expense of raising the (fairly low) seat height.
    We are clocking some miles up on our G310R test bike, just to get a feel for it, and will do a more extensive report on the R version later this week.
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  9. kojack

    kojack AMF!

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  10. trc.rhubarb

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  11. ktmmitch

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    After clocking up quite a few trips on our BMW G310R, both back road & main road, I thought it time to give a brief outline of our first impressions of this new bike, and some idea of how the 310GS will perform, as they are both going to be similar, apart from probably some slight suspension changes and a small windshield to reduce buffeting.

    The first impression I got was the fit & finish was much improved over the bikes seen at the NEC show last November, there are still a couple of areas that show it's "built to a price" target, such as pressed metal parts and some welding, but overall they are MUCH better than any chinese bikes some people have been comparing them to, and equally as good as other European-owned, but Indian-built bikes, such as the KTM 390 9which is probably it's main competition).

    The riding position is very much that you sit "in" the R model, and it's quite comfortable, even for a 2 hour trip I did. Ergo's are fine, the bar set-up is good for the road-biased R bike, and the switchgear works well. My main gripe is that both the clutch & front brake lever blades are WAY too long. Not any adjustability on the bars, apart from rotationally, so that is something we are going to address straight away, plus bar risers options.

    In the dark, the backlit LED dash looks good, and the headlight gives out enough spread of light for a bike this size, and speed, plus the dip beam cut-off is not too severe.

    The lack of any adjustment of the rear brake pedal, plus the very "cheap" micro switch makes getting the correct bite point of the rear brake difficult, and I hope this is improved on the GS version. Footrests are fine for road use, if a touch small in width.

    The bulky, and very quiet silencer would be the first OEM part to go, and I suspect it also holds the little reverse-cylinder, fuel-injected single back a bit as well in the power stakes.

    Suspension looks the part, with gold anodised upside-down forks, but without any preload or damping adjustment. And the rear shock is a simple single-piston emulsion design, again with no adjustment apart from preload.

    The initial feelings for the ride were very good, considering the limitations of both front & rear suspension budget, and could be described as fairly stiffly sprung at both ends, but a little overdamped on compression, and underdamped on rebound. This is something we will be looking into with our suspension experts, TracTive Suspension from the Nederlands, and should be fairly simple, especially the rear shock, as there is no rising-rate linkage to worry about, plus there is a massive amount of room around the rear shock if we need to utilise this for a piggy-back reservoir.

    Tipping the bike into corners with the 17/17 wheel combination gives an initial "drop" but quickly settles down to hold a steady line, and the low seat height makes it easy to flip from side to side in short corners.

    The front brake definitely feels soft, and has to be pulled on with some effort, so it's a good job the front lever is long, whilst the rear does the job adequately, and both wheels can be locked, if required, and then the ABS kicks in to pull things up steadily.

    There are rear footrests for a passenger, but to be honest, at 35Hp it's never going to be a 2-up regular, and the short nature of this middleweight would make for cramped bedfellows.

    The motor pulls well from 3,000 up to about 6,000, and will go to the 10,600 red line, but it's most comfortable shifting mid-range through the 6-speed box, nuetral was a bit tricky to select at first, but is improving with mileage.

    Average fuel consumption is around 80 mpg, which is fine around the back roads, and holding a constant 60-65 mph is best, any more and the engine starts to feel strained. Top gear gives 1,000 rpm/10 mph, so 65 mph is 6,500 rpm, right in the sweet spot for torque.

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  12. mandatedmotorvation

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    Thanks for taking the time to offer up those experiences and insights.

    Could absolutely read more about the bike if you've got any more to say.

    Cheers!
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  13. ktmmitch

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    A great promotion for up-and-coming new riders, is from BMW UK for the new G310R, which we currently have as a development bike in preparation for the promised 310GS version in the autumn.
    £500 deposit and £99/month gets you 7 day DAS course, inc test, BMW riding suit, helmet, gloves & boots plus a new G310R for 2 year contract hire.
    Contact Wollaston BMW Motorrad 01865 319000 or www.wbikes.com

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  14. ktmmitch

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    Wednesday Workshop- lots of front hub production this week on our CMZ lathe, which is also a fantastic milling machine and can drill and mill at right angles to the turning axis, perfect for CNC machining our front hubs and drilling the spoke holes.
    First on were the Honda CRF1000L Africa Twin hubs, 10 made for our maiden production run for our own HD tubeless wheel kits, with oversize front wheel bearings.
    Next was a batch of the ever-popular CB500X hubs, hopefully to give us stock, as we are just about caught up with all the outstanding orders after a mammoth effort from our team.
    Then we have made 2 pre-production front hubs for our new BMW G310R, this is the same hub design as the 310GS that we have ordered for september delivery, and we will be offering a HD spoked wheel kit to replace the OEM cast wheels on this new mini adventure model............watch this space for more developments.

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  15. Jimmy the Heater

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  16. ktmmitch

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    Initial try out of billet spoked hub on our BMW G310R, ready for when the GS version arrives soon, all good, off to have 19" rim fitted, rear wheel next
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  17. ktmmitch

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    Our final pre-production rear billet hub for the new BMW 310GS model is being finished today on our CMZ lathe/mill, and hopefully it will be anodised and built up, along with the front hub that is already completed, in time for a trip to Merzouga, Morocco, in a few weeks for some testing.
    This will be a 36 hole spoked wheel with stainless-steel spokes and oversize bearings, and can be tubed, or tubeless, depending on options.

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    Trying the OEM cush rubbers and OEM sprocket carrier into the billet rear hub to suit the new BMW 310R & GS models.
    All well, next stop is to put them in the 4th axis mill to drill the spoke holes before anodising.

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  18. Howlinsage

    Howlinsage Been here awhile

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  19. cronedo

    cronedo Gelände-Dreamin'

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    Hello ktmmitch,

    The first reviews are starting to trickle in from the G310GS press launch in Barcelona and one common theme is soft suspension. This is quite the opposite of your review of the G310R being "... fairly stiffly sprung at both ends."

    What is your basis when choosing which spring rates to offer for a bike that will likely be used much like your Rally Raid CB500X? Do you ask the buyers about their riding style (ex. loaded touring, ride 2-up, never ride heavily loaded, aggressive off-roading, etc.) and their weight, then make a suggestion?

    How would you describe the type of ride you're aiming for - more load-carrying on bumpy gravel roads, or more capable for handling bigger hits on gnarly trails?

    Those spoked wheels look mighty nice, but if the GS suspension is waaay soft, the initial bigger demand might be stiffer springs and better damping. Perhaps TracTive Suspension is finding itself with fewer Touratech orders after the bankruptcy announcement and can dedicate more capacity to the new beemer.
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  20. JMo (& piglet)

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    This guy gets the concept completely...



    And enthusiastic and balanced review of the capabilities (and potential) of the little GS - certainly worth a watch, even if you have to endure the Smurf backing vocals every so often in the link music...

    Jx
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