Rally Training USA - lotsa big photos

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  1. HogWild

    HogWild Scott Whitney

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    Here are some Google Earth photos from our newest rally training route.

    This one is Dumont-to-Vegas, covering 450km (over 400km of "Special"), with 366 navigation points on a 50ft long roadbook roll.

    There's some awesome terrain out there! Who wants to ride this cool stuff, and learn Dakar style navigation?

    HARDCORE ! ! !

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  2. SafariBerg

    SafariBerg Oz Safari Addict

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    wow that looks like the

    Rallye Du Mars

    wish I was over your way
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  3. HogWild

    HogWild Scott Whitney

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    We did that one a few years ago. It was a BLAST just getting there!
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  4. Santa

    Santa Focused on the Future

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    I have been watching you guys for a while now and I am interested.
    When and how much $?
    Is this possible for the unsupported rider?
    What about fuel? I have approx a 280KM range.
    What instrumentation should one have on board?
    Roadbook in KM or miles?
    Thx.
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  5. HogWild

    HogWild Scott Whitney

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    These days I mostly just make up routes and create roadbooks. You should talk to Charlie about the training part and getting your wheels dirty.

    Regarding some of the other questions . . .

    Generally for my roadbooks you need 100 miles or slightly more gas range. But sometimes there's no gas station at the "pit" point, so you have to have crew (or possibly mooch a gas can into someone else’s truck). It depends on which roadbook you're following, and what kind of group you're doing this with. If you have your own crew, and they are sharp, you can get away with shorter gas range by having them meet you at intermediate points.

    Instrumentation: A top quality odometer that can be incremented and decremented is pretty much mandatory (ICO, IMO, or similar are best). Navigating by roadbook is all about the mileage, and keeping your odometer synchronized with the roadbook numbers. Second, obviously you need the roadbook holder. These roadbooks are the 6 inch wide rally type, so you need an MD, Touratech, or similar unit. Third, you’ll want a GPS that displays your heading in numeric format. You need that because sometimes you have to head off in a particular direction, and the roadbook indicates that in numeric format (0 to 359 degrees). The first photo in this thread is pretty much the exact view you have when you leave the bivouac on the Dumont-Vegas route. There is no road at that point, so you have to head off across the dunes following only your GPS heading. We generally don’t supply a GPS track, because you’re supposed to be learning ROADBOOK navigation. The GPS should be mounted on your dash, not in your pocket, otherwise you have to ride across those dunes with one hand on the throttle, and one hand holding the GPS while you watch the heading number.

    It’s up to you, but now that I have a SPOT tracker, I carry it with me on every ride. These routes go way out in the middle of nowhere, well beyond cell coverage, to locations you may not see another human for days or longer. And anytime near summer, you may not survive more than a day out there if you were stranded. Plus, every person I know of who has ridden these roadbook routes has gotten lost out there at one time or another. I strongly recommend carrying a SPOT or a Sat phone for your own safety.

    My roadbooks are setup so I can print them in miles or kilometers. I print them one at a time, so it’s not a big deal to supply whatever is needed.
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  6. DaveRMS

    DaveRMS Long timer

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    Hey Scott,
    You are the route king! Looks like another great one. I can't wait to ride it!
    Dave
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  7. Santa

    Santa Focused on the Future

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    thanks scott.
    Looks like all I need is a roadbook to be set.
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  8. lastplace

    lastplace Been here awhile

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    We have a bunch of MD roadbooks in stock now, and brackets for mounting them. Or, check out MX1West.com for the Acerbis manual roadbook. The manual one is cheaper, but most people eventually get an electric one if they do this a lot.

    fun fun
    Charlie
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  9. WONB2K

    WONB2K The Road Less Traveled

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    Scott, are these new sections still in the planning stages or have they been ridden? Are you using any of the old route where you ran us East of the freeway?

    The uphill ridgeback with off camber turns looks like a handfull...HARDCORE for sure!

    Jim
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  10. HogWild

    HogWild Scott Whitney

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    Jim, the Dumont-to-Vegas route shown in the photos and the return (Vegas-to-Dumont, not shown) are all new except a few small pieces, such as the segment just leaving and entering Dumont, a small segment coming into Primm, and crossing the freeway at Cima Rd to the gas station that's right there near the freeway. I do my best to stay away from all the previous routes. And I'm doing my best to find stuff that is rarely seen by anyone, while staying out of closed wilderness. This route doesn't go way South-East of I-15 like the Primmo route did.

    Regarding the "still planning" question, YES and NO. The Vegas-Dumont route has been ridden by a very select few. So it's a proven and completed route, and the roadbook is 100% done. For the Dumont-Vegas route, I've laid it all out, measured all the mileages between navigation points, captured all the headings at every point, and got that all into a roadbook (still missing tulip drawings and French stuff). So that route is already "planned". BUT, we haven't ridden any of it yet. Once I get the tulip drawings done, we'll be ready to prerun it. While prerunning, we always run into issues like locked gates and other closures. When we hit that stuff we have to find a way around and try to hook back up with the remainder of the route. Once prerunning is done, I go back and change the roadbook to match the work arounds we found. Then I consider it done and ready for others to ride. I don't know when we'll prerun the Dumont-Vegas route, though it might happen right in the middle of summer so we can get the most enjoyment out of the desert sun! :huh

    That uphill ridgeback surely isn't exactly as the photo shows. Google Earth doesn't show perfect topo data, so things generally get a bit overly "smoothed" over. Other than the smoothing distortion, it should look pretty much just like the photo!
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  11. WONB2K

    WONB2K The Road Less Traveled

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    I know how much work goes into these projects and nobody does it better. I may have to dust off the roadbook and join you on another adventure.....if you change "middle of summer" to "early fall", you sadistic SOB!

    Jim
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  12. wrk2surf

    wrk2surf on the gas or brakes

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    Im up......... just let me know.....need to learn to use the TT sittin in the box in the garage:wink:
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  13. Yellow Pig

    Yellow Pig Allergic to asphalt!

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    Now this is just plain cool!
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  14. lastplace

    lastplace Been here awhile

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    I do.

    When's the pre-run, Scott!

    fun fun
    Charlie
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  15. HogWild

    HogWild Scott Whitney

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    Pre-run may be mid-summer, but training will more likely be in September or October.


    Yea, I love it when the roadbook goes into the mountains!


    No date for the pre-run yet. My bike is in the shop for repairs, having new forks built. Bummer, because the forecast for Death Valley on Monday is 120 degrees! We might have to settle for only 113 degrees in August.
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  16. Dezrat

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    I'd love to come ride this with you. Was thinking about doing a LABtoV type ride and return with a small group the weekend prior to Thanksgiving, That way I can watch the Enduro-cross and ride home. This route would cover half of that, do you have any that would link to Dumont dunes from closer to LA?

    I'll keep looking on this link for any dates that might come up. Just need to add a rally style roll chart. Thanks.
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  17. CRFDAKAR

    CRFDAKAR Cretin54

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    Scott,Charlie,

    Have Van will travel-
    Want to ride! :evil
    Let me know.:ear
    Working on couple routes up here too.:deal
    Thanx for opening my eyes GUYS!

    Later
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  18. HogWild

    HogWild Scott Whitney

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    I don't have an LA to Dumont route. Last year's LABtoV route came close (passing by at Baker, just 30 miles South of Dumont). The furthest in that direction any of our training routes go is to Afton Canyon. But generally the roadbooks are not available until you arrive at Dumont for the training, and they are returned in the evening after your ride.
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  19. Bicycle Phil

    Bicycle Phil Been here awhile

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    great stuff Scott...looking forward to big fun rally routes in October
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  20. HogWild

    HogWild Scott Whitney

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    So, are you and Dave and Robb going to run the show this time?

    How does this sound:
    Day 1 : Afton Loop (~180 miles) Dumont-Afton-Baker-Dumont
    Day 2 : Dumont-Vegas (~275 miles) Stay the night in Vegas
    Day 3 AM : Vegas-Dumont (~140 miles)
    Day 3 PM : Dumont Dunes Hell (~20 miles)
    That's over 600 miles of hardcore navigation training!

    Noobs can do the short 40 mile "Hog Wild" loop on day 1 if they don't want to bite off too much in the beginning. I think Dumont-Vegas will be really tough, but it has a pavement bail-out point about every 75 miles, for the slowbees, tiredbees, lostbees, and brokebees.

    There's a campground near Vegas where we might be able to bivouac at the end of the Dumont-Vegas route.
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