Rallye navigation bracket photo thread

Discussion in 'Racing' started by wrk2surf, May 4, 2011.

  1. crankshaft

    crankshaft Guns are for pussies

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    From everything I've read, lumens claims are all over the map. Just like any advertising, manufacturers to tend to embellish when it suits them. From the reviews I've seen, the BD products have been pretty true to all the claims, so a back to back is the only real way to know for sure.

    I have a Stryker headlamp for Rallymoto night stages and it's amazing how much light the little LED throws out. I borrowed a Rigid light from a friend to mess around with and the light it put out was impressive.
  2. c.vestal

    c.vestal Rally On

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    No gray area on this. BD & Rigid clearly advertise these as Off Road Lights.
    I assume if a person was to get pulled over and the officer does not see D.O.T on the light lens, it would result in ticket, fine, impound whatever the officer decides to do.

    What you described is different. (Having D.O.T. aux lights and still getting ticket.)
    Is that what you were written up for? "Illegal lighting" or some other infraction.

    FYI for all reading this. (I am not implying in any way what Gros Buck was doing) Even if riding with all D.O.T lights. (primary and aux.) You can still get pulled over and maybe a ticket if you are still not aiming or using them properly.

  3. Seth S

    Seth S Will _____ for _____

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    The Rigid's put out a good amount of light and it does look like the Baja Designs squadron light might put out a but more than the Rigid. Both are massive improvements over any stock halogen.
  4. crankshaft

    crankshaft Guns are for pussies

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    I'm ditching the HID actually, really liking the compact LED's
  5. Gros Buck

    Gros Buck Beef = Packed Vegetables

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    From what I know, you're right. If I had put 100 watts halogene into a 55 watts optic. But PIAA were 55 watts exactly like the OEM. They are just more efficient at producing light. They are also a bit more "blueish". I did not get the ticket. I avoid it by showing the original packaging. A plastic box with PIAA logo and info on it. Hopefully I was carrying it.

    BUt the point here is that if you have the autority to arrest someone, you should have a minimum knowledge at it. It is very easy to differentiate halogen with HID ...

    That said, is it that common in New England to get arrested for that ???

    Paul Jr
  6. pfb

    pfb Riding, not skiing.

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    I'm thinking that if anybody is arrested for a headlight issue, there is more to the story than bulb wattage and DOT markings... :deal

    Ticketed? It's pretty easy for a cop to find a reason to issue you a citation if that's what he is looking to do.
  7. pfb

    pfb Riding, not skiing.

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    But back on topic, it would be interesting to see more comparisons on Rigid vs. Baja Designs compact LED's. But in addition to looking at total light output, beam pattern, perceived 'brightness', it is probably worth looking at light output per $ as the pricing varies wildly.

    • Squadron's are an uber-pricey $330 EACH, street price around $300.
    • Rigid Dually's are $100 each list, with an $85-$90 street price, less than 1/3 of the Squadrons.
    • Ridid Dually D2's (same size as a dually, but almost twice the output) are $200 each, with similar street price discounts.

    Dually.
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    D2:
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    Squadron:
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    Paul, any idea if the Rigid LED's will mount up to your brackets? It would be nice to have the option of using either light (especially, cough cough, if you already have rigid dually's!)
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  8. Geek

    Geek oot & aboot

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    Paul: fwiw... last Saturday night Uli had two rigid 2x2's turned on and Daniel had a Rigid 2x8 turned on (as well as their stock 950SE rally headlight (useless) and 950ADV (hid+euro lense))...

    I rolled in between them and turned on a single Squadron. We were all shocked at how much stuff I lit up that all of their lights combined didn't reach. I'm not trying to justify my purchase; if it wasn't better I'd send mine back and save the money and buy the other... but the difference was substantial.

    The squadron threw light remarkably further down the trail. I wish I had had my second one wired up (although I'm starting to wonder what I'm going to need it for).

    Daniel's response: "well that's depressing..." :rofl
  9. Geek

    Geek oot & aboot

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    Paul: do you have some rigids? Lets get together.. I'll bring a good camera that we can lock all the settings on and we can take a bunch of comparison photos?

    :freaky
  10. pfb

    pfb Riding, not skiing.

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    Exactly. How much light is enough? For a non-competitive roadbook ride that runs long and puts you in the dark? Or full-on balls-out nighttime desert racing? And can you have too much light? One problem with hyper-bright forward facing lights is you pretty much destroy any peripheral vision to unlit or dimly lit areas...

    And if $160 worth of LED lighting is 'enough', am I getting any value in a super-bright $300+ light?

    Not drawing any conclusions, just throwing out some thoughts.
  11. pfb

    pfb Riding, not skiing.

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    Can do. The Rigid's come off the truck pretty quicly so we can also look at how they might work with Paul's new setup. But remember, all FOUR of my rigid's were about the same price as a single Squadron. They are also all flood's... In retrospect, two dually spots and two dually floods would have been a better combo for the truck.
  12. Geek

    Geek oot & aboot

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    The extra distance the squadron throws the light is definitely worth while to me (safer going fast in the dark)...

    I don't know if 2 squadrons has any extra value (I won't until I get to try it.. I'm hoping to get the second one hooked up tomorrow); perhaps if I could throw the light wider with the second light (hence the classic combo of pencil beam and driving beam or fog beam). The other thing I was going to talk with Paul about is if we could try a slight shimming of each light to aim each one 10 degrees off center to each side (because it throws light so far) - the two would then cover a huge amount of area maybe?


    The bigger issue I personally have with "too much light" is when you have to drive on a public road at night. You have so much light you turn night into day (which is great!) but then when you meet oncoming traffic and have to dim all that light to a legal level, your pupils have contracted and you are essentially blind until you can get the lights back on. I find I'm especially sensitive to this as I've had lasik (twice).

    I'm going to love it up on Kingston Peak at night this summer & goofing around in LHC... but not so much when I meet oncoming traffic dropping down the canyon afterward. :eek1
  13. Geek

    Geek oot & aboot

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    Do you find that all four lights being the same gives you a huge amount of light @ the same distance but essentially blinds you outside of that throw range?

    Perhaps we should test swapping a flood & a spot to figure out the best combination :D
  14. Geek

    Geek oot & aboot

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    Any idea what LED the D2 is using?

    I think the squadrons are using the Cree 1000 (900) XML.
  15. crankshaft

    crankshaft Guns are for pussies

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    I'm doing the Black river stages rally in September and the first day is mostly night stages, so I'll be able to test the lights at speed. I've seen 90+ on some of the straight sections and the stages are pretty much through the forest:lol3

    I was beginning to worry that the Squads wouldn't compete with my 8" HID but I'm starting to feel better after all the feedback!
  16. pilo

    pilo Rhymes with below

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    Making some progress with the 450x prototype...this setup looks to be excellent. It really is a work of machining art.

    If you recall the setup I took to Jimmy's class.
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    With two squadron lights this setup looks to be at least a couple of pounds lighter than the 8" with roadbook holder.
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    Awesome layout and clean location for the RAM mounted GPS
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    276 mounts like it was meant to be there.
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    I'm going to pound this through 1400 miles of the Tour of Idaho in a few weeks. If it survives that pounding, it's ready for prime time.
  17. Yellow Pig

    Yellow Pig Allergic to asphalt!

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    In my opinion w/ Pauls's (HDB) 2 squadron set up the trick will be to have one be a sopt and the second a flood.

    The flood would be pointed down and infront of the bike and run on a PWM dimmer with a high beam by pass so it acts as the low beam on the road at night. Then for high beam or offroad riding the flood would come on at full power filling in the area in fron of the bike and to the sides, wile the spot LED would give you long distance lighting. I would put the flood up top pointing down so it can bette fill in the dark spots behind bumps or when the front wheel is lofted.

    The lower LED would be the spot pointed straight down the trail.


    It would be super easy to mount one of these on the roadbook mount:
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    http://stores.intuitwebsites.com/hstrial-QualiRegResou/-strse-47/Rotary-LED-Dimmer-with/Detail.bok

    SPECS:

    Rotary control of led output.

    Dimming is accomplished by PWM.

    Rotory detent in off position. CCW decrease light output until off position.

    Connect your high beam to provide full light output when you turn on the high beams.

    Includes connectors male/female for 2 lights.

    Includes connector for 12v DC power (male and female).

    1.5"x1.3"x.8" or 38mmx33mmx20.3mm

    IP67 waterproof

    Suitable for up to 6 amps or 72 watts.
  18. Yellow Pig

    Yellow Pig Allergic to asphalt!

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    PS I have a D2 dually sitting on the work bench waiting to be tested side to side w/ the Squadron.
  19. cyborg

    cyborg Potius Sero Quam Numquam

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    Crank, I custom made a mount for the Squadron on my Berg, writeup here.

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    I'm not doing the roadbook thing you guys are right now, but I can tell you the Squadron on full power is an amazing amount of light for 44watts, probably as much as the BD 8". On pavement I took it up to 90 and could not out-drive it. Awesome light. I use a small Skene Designs dimmer to control the light for dual-sport use and ridden by many LEO cruisers day and night and no problems.
  20. wrk2surf

    wrk2surf on the gas or brakes

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    Nice work Phil and thanks for adding photos .. the more the better!!