Rallye navigation bracket photo thread

Discussion in 'Racing' started by wrk2surf, May 4, 2011.

  1. pilo

    pilo Rhymes with below

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    iOS is first. Functionality will be locked or optional for certain instances. Ultimately this is not the Dakar guys' first choice, but as a backup or for the rest of the gazillion of us who want decent functionality without the high cost of a specific device, it should be good. As good used iphone 4 is about $100. Some things are still to be worked out, but my partner and I (adv whateverdood) have some fun plans. The idea is to make rally even easier to the motorcycle masses but still be able to be used for competition.

    I've run stages I've created myself with a few buddies, and honestly even lame graded roads turn into an amazing time when suddenly you are navigating instead of just following (and eating) the dust of the guy immediately in front of you. Any riding loop turns into a race with your buddies. Everyone starts at one minute intervals and I PROMISE you the stomach butterflies come, even when you are just horsing around wiht your best friends. It's racing, but without the dust of a bomb run start, course markers, etc. The problem is that in order to experience this fun with your buddies everyone needs $1000 worth of gear on the front of the bike. Our vision is to change that...
  2. 640 Armageddon

    640 Armageddon Do or Do Not. There is no try.

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    Congrats on the device and the time spent and the thinking and everything !! This is nice, I am always following people who create something new !

    Sounds like a plan for the masses ! I think that target is spot on. Racers themselves most of the time they want one function and not even a menu. They want to see one thing and don't want to get lost in the functions/menus etc. But as you say, for the masses this will be brilliant.
    Hook up that to a couple of ANT+ sensors, plus its a phone so you have a phone functionality anyway (during rest times you can still play tetris :D ).. The amazing thing is that even a middle market phone is far more advanced than any rally computer available today...

    :freaky:clap
  3. theantipaul

    theantipaul Reforming Neandertal

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    Damn that looks good Phil, I'm stealing that pic if it's ok, can't wait to see the rest of what you have planned for the app.

    Sorry I couldn't get a mount done in time, be safe down there and good luck.
  4. Uller

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    Sounds cool. I can't wait to hear more as I fall into the group that still needs to purchase the nav gear....

    Good luck with the race!
  5. HogWild

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    I love the idea of the smart phone app as an affordable navigation tool. Even better (maybe a future feature) would be if it could take the new "enduro" roll chart format from Rally Navigator, and display the roadbook too! :evil

    BUT, at least with the coming Diabolical Rally, smart phones, iPads, and similar devices will not be allowed for any aspect of navigation. That's the case with Dakar too. The reason is it's too easy to use these devices to cheat. I can think of all kinds of ways to use a smart phone app to gain unfair advantage over other competitors. And I know if it's not clearly stated in the rules, someone will eventually outsmart everyone and use an electronic device to do what nobody else can do. As a race organizer, one of my jobs is to try to keep everyone on a level playing field, and keep the challenge high. And I'm super motivated to uphold the challenges that difficult navigation present. The more we let "smart" electronics into rally navigation, the more an essential part of rally is lost.

    The one element of this that I'm still in favor of is if such a device was very limited in its capabilities, and were controlled and handed out by the race organization (like they do at Dakar with the special GPS unit). In that way, everyone would be assured of having the same basic tools and nobody would have advanced devices that take the challenge away from rally navigation.

    I also think it could be great for those just coming into rally. As an affordable tool for practicing on "play" routes it seems perfect!
  6. 640 Armageddon

    640 Armageddon Do or Do Not. There is no try.

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    I think this is one of the major reasons that electronic navigation devices will not be seen in the near future (and in the distant future if you ask me... ) in Rally races. It will become like with the magnetti electronic war were you get all sorts of data for the rider. Then you just tap into the electronics of the bike, and next thing you know you have an auto pilot :D
  7. Super Dave Hawaii

    Super Dave Hawaii Ain't Dead Yet!

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    I have read all this thread on Brackets, but don't see a lot on frame attachment. Which is best? Bolt-on or weld-on? Also issues welding onto
    aluminum frames? I see the works Honda Rally has weld-on bracket, but is the frame treated after this?
    Can't seem to find a lot on this and hope someone can help.
    New to this Rally stuff and need all the help I can get.
    Dave
  8. beechum1

    beechum1 Dandole Gas al Burro

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    I think weld on is the easiest because you (I) can just make a block with equally spaced threaded mounting holes and put it on and be done. The bolt on requires some designing of ID's OD's and bolt spacing etc.

    Also, my XRL kit that I have all the drawings for uses a weld on anchor :deal
  9. Gany

    Gany Been here awhile

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    What bike Dave?
  10. Super Dave Hawaii

    Super Dave Hawaii Ain't Dead Yet!

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    Our experience has been that bolt-on is quick, easy and robust. If you have the kind of crash that's going to bend the fixing point, you simply replace the block and the bolts, but I've crashed mine numerous times from slow speed to high speed (70+) and not had any problems with it at all. It's been used for rallies over very rocky bouncy ground including desert and enduro and still no problem, so the tree we now offer is a simple bolt-on.
  12. 640 Armageddon

    640 Armageddon Do or Do Not. There is no try.

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    My guess is that it is a personal preference and not so much as an engineering problem. Both will be good with the bolted on connection performing better in a crash. As Mike said you only have to change the mount and off you go.
    The question is do you want a rotating or a stationary tower? And if you want a stationary, is that because of the fairing or because of aesthetics? Usually to get a stationary design, you have to fiddle with the hole bike, where there are designs that are very easy to setup. It all depends on what you want.

    At the moment I am happy with both designs, the Berg has the HDB tower and the 640A has a custom tower. HDB does a stationary design, which I wanna try in the 640 or in the Berg at a later stage, it seems pretty straight forward and the tower is very easy to build, more like a Lego design :D

    Till later,
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  13. 640 Armageddon

    640 Armageddon Do or Do Not. There is no try.

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    And this is the tower from the new KTM 450 ...

    It does not look like aluminium, more like a plastic... Anybody? :ear

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    Almost looks like Carbon on Coma's bike??
  15. 640 Armageddon

    640 Armageddon Do or Do Not. There is no try.

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    yeah... discussed it in the other thread. You can almost see the weaves. Would be interested to see how it performs during crashes :wink: The back plate is too thick though...
  16. Pete640

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    Composite. Depth of cutouts will resist sideways forced
    Notice the attachment is the same solid cast alu piece. It's stood the test of time
  17. Mike_MRS

    Mike_MRS Been here awhile

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    I would place a big bet that those towers are composite with aluminium honeycomb core. Great stuff, super expensive and hard to get right.
  18. 640 Armageddon

    640 Armageddon Do or Do Not. There is no try.

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    It also looks larger than before. Why did they go that route I cannot understand. Weight? The previous setup was pretty light. Stronger? May be yes may be no... It looks like a weird decision were the Kawasaki in the beginning of this thread was one of the best solutions. ... Let us see if the others follow the trend... Somebody gives them the link to this thread anyway :D
  19. 640 Armageddon

    640 Armageddon Do or Do Not. There is no try.

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    If they have honeycomb then fine by me, :deal
    If they have it right it will be a hell of a part... Obviously it takes out the companies and the individuals who wanted to create exact or similar to KTM designs... But as you say, lots of $$ .... :huh
  20. Super Dave Hawaii

    Super Dave Hawaii Ain't Dead Yet!

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    Looking at this I see such a clean set-up. This is what I'm looking for. Is this the custom one you have?