Rare Elite 250 Parts?

Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by Riparian, Sep 21, 2009.

  1. Riparian

    Riparian Been here awhile

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    Alright scootmasters, I'm here for some advice...

    I just purchased a 1989 Elite 250 for my girlfriend. Not sure how many elite riders there actually are here, but searching doesn't yeild much, so I'm not holding my breath...

    Anyway, the second generation (89-90) are quite rare, so I'm having a hard time finding parts. Her's came with some sort of home-made seat job (it looks OK but feels super-soft and kinda funky), and some of the plastics have a few scratches. For this reason, I'm keeping my eye out for a used seat to pop up on ebay or something, but I'm not having much luck so far. Does anyone know where I can find something like that? I'm hoping there's a guy somewhere with a whole pile of parts, but again, i'm not holding my breath.

    Also, for anyone considering an elite 250, I have to say that this scoot is awesome. It'll run 70 with ease (and I weight 220lbs+gear) and is pretty quick off the line. The styling of the 89-90 is also much nicer than the previous models, so if you find one, grab it!

    Thanks in advance, guys!


    -Joe
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  2. ernest t bass

    ernest t bass Been here awhile

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    Contact Eric at Point Loma Scooters.

    He has a big junk pile of Elite Parts.


    3017 Canon St
    (between Locust St & Rosecrans St)
    San Diego, CA 92106 www.plscooters.com
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  3. Wentwest

    Wentwest How's that work?

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  4. Riparian

    Riparian Been here awhile

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    Thanks guys! I'll contact them today :)
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  5. fullmetalscooter

    fullmetalscooter Let me take this duck off

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    89 Elite 250 is the power by helix engine . You should join the guys over at elite250 yahoo groups. All most all the key parts are still around. If the engine dies you can fix a cfmoto 250 go cart engine in I ve been told. You can also down load the helix 250 manual and use it for engine and if it's got the disk brakes I believe again helix pads fix them. What you can't find locally or form the guys off the elite 250 group you can get off ebay. Is the seat pan stock?? If so then go here it tells you how to rebuild you own seat. http://www.diymotorcycleseat.com/ Now http://www.ch250.net/ch250helixinterchange.htm is mostly for when it comes to the engine for per 88 elite. Here is the helix 250 manual http://bill.laudeman.com/helix/manual/ . If you are running the stock shocks which are crap consider doing the cb350 shock mod which you can find out more about at the ch250.net. It fairly simple. 2 cb350 shocks 2 new bolts 2 hours to do. The key with your elite is remembering that you need helix engine parts belts etc. Most shops are going to be clueless about it. It's a great bike, just don't overfill the oil and remember to change the gear oil. Who know when that was last done. I love my 86 elite but really want the helix .
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  6. Riparian

    Riparian Been here awhile

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    Thanks for the detailed advice -- sounds like you're well versed in the honda scoots of the 80s & 90s! You prefer a Helix over an Elite? I'm the other way around, but that's probably because mine will be used almost exclusively for in-town commuting.
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  7. fullmetalscooter

    fullmetalscooter Let me take this duck off

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    Well if type in google elite 250 around the world there is a guy in bc canada whom used one to do that. In town it's nice bike. On the highway it still nice if you install a gel pad. I want the helix just do to my height . Also I ve seen the picture of it slip stream . I ve seen it with a roof and windshied with wiper. Also it 5 years of production for the elite verse 20 for the helix. I ll ride my elite 250 till next year and then find a helix in Wa.
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  8. HandKPhil

    HandKPhil Been here awhile

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    I believe you're mistaken about the '89 Elite 250 engine being the same engine as the one in the Helix. I was under the impression that the re-designed for '89 Elite 250's used a different, horizontal 250 c.c. engine.

    This link seems to say the same thing. Read the blurb next to the red '89 Elite 250:

    http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.motorscooterguide.net/page1/page13/files/Pasted%2520Graphic.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.motorscooterguide.net/page1/page13/page13.html&h=234&w=304&sz=23&tbnid=lJvpEidSZ5E8SM:&tbnh=89&tbnw=116&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dhonda%2Bhelix%2Bscooter&hl=en&usg=__MFM8z-tzVZn0WJ6SotZKbfVWk5o=&ei=N1coS8bkC5XANYGosNIJ&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=6&ct=image&ved=0CBoQ9QEwBQ
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  9. HandKPhil

    HandKPhil Been here awhile

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    As further proof that the '89 Elite CH250 engine is not the same one used in the Helix, take a look at these engine diagrams from Bike Bandit:

    http://www.bikebandit.com/houseofmotorcycles/1989-honda-motorcycle-ch250-elite/o/m2085


    My Helix is most definitely a vertical engine, while the '89 Elite 250 appears from these diagrams to be a horizontal engine.

    p.s. I think the CFMoto 250 engine is also a vertical one, so it's parts probably would not work in your '89 Elite 250 either. Your dealer will of course know best.
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  10. JEDI 2.0

    JEDI 2.0 Not From Star Wars

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    Bikebandit and DGY are great places to get OEM parts if you can't find them anywhere else----you'll pay a bit more, though.

    the 1989 CH250 is a SWEET RIDE, I'm keeping my eyes open for a local sale on one of those. I have a 1987 CH150 & the body styles are very similar.

    Hey man, if ALL ELSE FAILS, you can always go skelly!!!! :D
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  11. fullmetalscooter

    fullmetalscooter Let me take this duck off

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    I don't mean to be rude but Everything I ve be told about the 89 elite say that it's the helix engine. I ask sometime ago over at elite250 group on yahoo about this and was told that it was true. Honda wouldn't just make a new engine for one bike.
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  12. nacree

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    http://www.motorscooterguide.net/page1/page1.html

    Yes the -89 and 90 elite 250's were HORIZONTAL motors not vertical like the earlier models and the Helix. They actually have a large underseat storage area which makes them very desirable.

    The Horizontal engine went on to be used in the Reflex so it was not a one time change.
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  13. ernest t bass

    ernest t bass Been here awhile

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    I doubt the Helix and the Gen 2 Elite 250 are enough alike to be interchangeable.

    Get the two shop manuals and have a look.

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  14. _cy_

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    I've got a 89 Elite 250 and it's one sweet ride!
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  15. Wentwest

    Wentwest How's that work?

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    I have 2 1990 ch250's. They are definitely not a Helix engine. The closest thing is the engine in a NSS250 Reflex, but only a few parts are interchangeable with the Reflex. The rear shock mod for the 85-88 250 won't work on the 89 or 90 because the shocks are different, and the left and right are different from each other. You can look up parts online and compare part numbers for the 85-88 and yours and see what is compatible, but in my experience not a lot is.

    There is a perfectly good seat cover on Ebay, sold by a guy called "gumtwo", and I used it. If the foam is bad then I suggest you get the new cover (if you need it) or remove the old cover carefully and have an upholstery shop make a new foam base.

    Brake shoes are available, EBC330 front and EBC350 rear.

    There are a few of us on the Yahoo CH250 group with these 89 or 90 models. They did not sell well in the US. Too expensive, in a time of cheaper gas, listing for $3,700 or so. In Japan they are called Honda Freeway, and some parts are available but my Japanese is zero, so I can't buy anything there.

    They are magnificent machines. Enjoy!
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  16. bbishoppcm

    bbishoppcm It ain't a moped.

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    The 89 Elite 250 was a very cool scooter, one of Honda's best designs in my opinion... but yeah, parts are nearly impossible to find unless you buy up as many "parts bikes" as you can find. The main difference between the Helix and the Elite 250 aside from form-factor and engine; the Elite still uses a front drum brake, while the Helix received a front disc brake. As for scratches on plastics, you can paint them yourself; I completely repainted my '86 Elite 150 with Krylon Fusion with incredible results. If you still have the original seat, it can be reupholstered by any automotive upholstery shop.
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