Rear ended by a cop

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by Tuna Helper, Mar 2, 2013.

  1. SloMo228

    SloMo228 World Class Cheapass

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    Wow. If I were that rider I'd be getting a lawyer too. It didn't seem like that hard of a hit but a patrol car has a lot of mass and there could be quite a bit of damage that I'd want the city to be paying for.

    Even if there were no damage, I'd still want to go after the department just because of that officer's behavior. That kind of action on the part of the people who are supposed to be upholding the law is unacceptable, no matter how minor. That officer needs, at the very least, an official reprimand and re-training on traffic laws.
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  2. Riteris

    Riteris Dessert Runner

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    The motorcyclist messed up... He should have done a wheelie in front of the cop.:1drink
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  3. FAW3

    FAW3 Old wanderer

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    As much as I generally support LEO...this badge is in the yellow/red zone of my assholemeter.

    What "the cop should have done" has been commented on...and I've had to do it. On two occasions that I recall in the years I was a cop I had minor contact or nearly rubbed another vehicle (disclaimer: these are the incidents where it was really minor traffic stuff - no real damage/injury...not the incidents where I damaged and/or totaled cars in pursuits/PITS - thats another story :eek1).

    Both times I stopped and checked on the folks involved - just typical motorists, said that I was distracted momentarly, said sorry, gave them my card and said do you want a supervisor to respond? Both incidents the other folks said, no problem...and all was well. Very cool.

    One of the most important aspects of being an LEO is the ability to recognize when your "off course" and what to do next...maybe your just trending into making a mistake, maybe your already knee deep in the poo...it's no time for the asswipe with a badge approach...stop, reassess and take a step to fix the problem the right way, right now.
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  4. RedShark

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    How do you think the Officer would have reacted if the rider had rear-ended HIM and then scolded him to "keep up with traffic" and that he should get a boatload of tickets ?

    That's right, The guy would be lucky to get off with being Tazed.

    I think the riders somewhat timid riding is over-emphasized with the top-of-helmet vantage point, - while he DID seem to me to not be owning his space, the Officer's "Accuse, Intimidate & Bluster" routine looks pretty practiced. This guy should be a greeter at Wal-Mart, not trusted with the power of arrest.
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  5. car94

    car94 What's this Box for?

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    I already posted in the other thread!:1drink
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  6. * SHAG *

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    I think he was eating a donut too while running the guys plate number on the laptop :pot
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  7. 74C5

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    Rider should have done a better job of protecting himself in heavy traffic. You should be aware of the hazards in front and behind. In Nevada, he may not have had the right to stop in traffic. Impeding is on the books in a number of states. Absolutely no reason to slow down that much for someone who maybe wanted to move into the lane. That move should have been done less abruptly.

    That said, if you hit someone in front of you, you screwed the pooch.

    Remember, a skinny motorcycle makes people look beyond you. They can end up just not seeing what you do if what you've done is not within the norm of the rest of the flow.

    The only avoidable/preventable crash is the one where a meteor hits you in the back of the head....and only then from a high angle of attack.
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  8. slartidbartfast

    slartidbartfast Love those blue pipes

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    As is most usual, both rider and driver were at fault. On balance, I'd say the rider mostly.

    However, the LEO should be expected to be better than that (or at least that's the usual hype, despite many observations to the contrary). He should be an observant, skilled driver and be able to tell if someone else on the road is squirrelly and give them an appropriately larger space. It's part of his job after all.

    The officer was taking the typical approach they are trained to do: "Always be in control of every interaction" but was doing it by being the an overly aggressive prick - the same way most inexperienced or inconfident LEOs do. I'd have let it slide up to the point where he said he could write a load of tickets and then it would have been "game on!" - or at least I'd like to think so. It's a bit harder to think straight when you've got some asshole yelling at you, which is what the cop was counting on of course.
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  9. avgas

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    Do you seriously think the rider was mostly at fault? He slowed down so that a car could see that it had space to merge and then to give it proper following distance. Then he got hit by another vehicle. I'm certainly not saying that his riding was perfect, but seriously, it's everyone's personal responsibility to make sure that they don't run into stuff. If I rear end someone it's my fault, not the other guys fault for driving in a somewhat weird way.
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  10. slartidbartfast

    slartidbartfast Love those blue pipes

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    He was nearly riding in the gutter... and he didn't slow down, he stopped. Completely unecessarily in my opinion.

    As I said, the cop should have figured out the motorcyclist was riding erattically and paid more attention. They were both at fault.

    Put two inept or distracted drivers close enough together and stuff happens! Nobody should be surprised by that. It was the cop's attitude that was wrong.
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  11. randyo

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    I don't buy that

    it was stop n go traffic and they were going slow to begin with, motorcyclist was showing courtesy to traffic, bike did NOT stop suddenly with a stoppie or anything like that

    cop was either following too close or not paying attention, with bike riding close to shoulder, cop had plenty of room to avoid

    100% cops fault

    bikes only fault is he was intimidated by an asshole cop afterward. as I posted altrady, if it were me, my response to the cop woulda been "do what ya gotta do, write me those tickets" while at the same time I woulda called state cops.

    been there, done that, and cop lost his job is my experience
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  12. Roadracer_Al

    Roadracer_Al louder, louder, louder!

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    I want to know who is going to send this to the top brass at the LV police force?
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  13. randyo

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    my bet is they've already seen it, its viral on almost every motorcycle forum in the world
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  14. LuciferMutt

    LuciferMutt Rides slow bike slow

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    Who else wants to bet the cop was dicking around with the police computer? Almost every cop I see driving around is staring at those stupid computers and not the road/traffic...
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  15. HooliKen

    HooliKen Awesome is a flavor

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    Just think? If lane sharing was legal there we may not have the opportunity to bitch about officer douche being a douche?
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  16. Bill Harris

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    I think that the Ossifer took the concept of "lane sharing" past the max... :D

    --Bill
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  17. concours

    concours WFO for 41 years

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    well said.
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  18. Mr_Gone

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    I don't know what I would have done when the accident occurred. I probably would have done exactly what the rider did: keep my mouth shut and avoid confrontation. Because who knows what might have happened if the rider had smarted off... he could have found himself tazed, handcuffed, and on his way to jail on some bullshit charges.

    But now that I've watched the video a couple times, the right thing to do would have been to ask for the ticket. Say, "Yes, officer, I want you to write me a ticket for the traffic infraction." Then go to court. Ask the judge to review the dash cam footage from the officer's vehicle. Ask the judge to look at your video. There is no question that cop is100% at fault, and he abused his authority.

    I would have gotten righteously pissed off. Called the police chief. Called the mayor. Called the governor. Written letters to the local newspaper editor. Cops like that don't deserve their jobs. They need to be on the unemployment line.
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  19. mb289

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    Mr. Gone, you are exactly right. Also, I would have demanded an accident report. The officer was clearly at fault and out of line.
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  20. Mr_Gone

    Mr_Gone The Lejund!

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    http://www.ktnv.com/news/local/196252011.html?lc=Smart

    Looks like the officer is on "administrative leave." Let's hope he loses his job.
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