Red River, New Mexico

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  1. Bartopia

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    Attached are track logs and waypoints in Red River, NM. The file includes tracks to Greenie Peak, Midnight Meadows, Cabresto Lake, and Goose Lake, as well as various waypoints.

    I did it on a KTM 690 Enduro with my 13 year-old son on a KLX 140L. Much of it was steep and rocky, and not something I'd want to do on a full-size dual sport. It was this trip that convinced me to buy the ABS dongle so I can turn the ABS off on my rear wheel.

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    Great pics.

    Unfortunately, your track file didn't attach. Use the paperclip icon in the advanced menu to post a gpx file.
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    Either you're seeing something different, or I am?

    The file is right above the first picture. I just clicked on it and it opened in Garmin BaseCamp w/o issue.

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    awesome track, color coded, waypoints, er'thing - thanks !


    got any more pictures from the high points ?
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    Nice tracks and pics. I managed to open your file by clicking on it. But I had to change the name and file type back to what you had.

    Think there's any chance of getting from Goose Lake to Taos Ski Valley?

    I think we kind of tried it once a long time ago, but the trail/road was closed then.
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    Here's a few pictures of high points...

    The first one is at Goose Lake, and the other two show what was supposed to be a "motorcycle only" trail that simply disappeared about 1/4 mile into it. Aside from my KTM falling over on the trailer once when I was loading it :baldy this trail is the only time I've fallen on the KTM - and I have no idea why. I "think" it was because I was on the edge of the trail, the center of the trail was washed out, I was looking at a fallen tree ahead, not paying attention, and the back wheel slid out from under me at about 5 mph. We made it around the fallen tree and then the trail just disappeared.

    This trail is marked with a waypoint that says "No Trail".

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    I think you're out of luck on going from Goose Lake to Taos Ski Valley unless you want to try to venture up what looks like a goat trail. The picture of Goose Lake above doesn't show it, but to the left of the picture and across the lake is a trail that goes up the mountain. There was a guy fishing that road his bicycle to the top of the mountain behind Goose Lake and walked down the trail. I had no idea where the trail went until you asked this question and I see on the map that it takes you on a packing trail to the Taos Ski Valley.

    I "might" consider it on my Husaberg TE250, but I don't think I'd try it on the 690, and certainly nothing bigger.

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    Both my Topo 24k and Topo 100k Garmin maps show a road/trail going thru. I think back when we went up there we were using Geological Survey paper maps that showed a road.

    The trail looks steep on the topos.

    I take it you didn't see a Road Closed sign on the trail. I think there was one when we looked at it.
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    Not on a motorcycle unless you go back to Red River and around on pavement. It's a great hike on foot though, if you're in to that sorta thing!
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    Are you talking about the trail in the picture above that says 'No ATVs', or the 'goat trail' going up the mountain on the other side of Goose Lake?

    If you're talking about the 'No ATVs' trail (marked as 'Motorcycles Only' on the Forestry Service map), there was no sign that said 'Road Closed'.
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    Is it "doable" on a dirt bike, or would you say it's impossible? From across the lake it looked very steep, but then again some of that stuff the Hard Enduro guys go up I would say was impossible.
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    It's very doable for anybody with a bit of skill, but not legal. In the Carson National Forest, if the trail isn't designated as a road, no motorized vehicle can travel on it. That trail isn't designated for motorized travel. And it's looking like the other side of the ridge is about to become Hondo Wilderness area. Congress just passed an act to make it one. Then it'd be a big, big, big no go.
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    Now that I think about it, the switchbacks out of the bowl would require quite alot of skill and probably a trials bike unless your name is Taddy Blazusiak or Cody Webb.

    Standing in the bowl at lake level doesn't really do the steepness justice.
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    What is a "Hondo" designation - tribal?
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    Hondo is just the name for the Wilderness area that's being created. The Rio Hondo is the big stream that drains the Taos Ski Valley side of that ridge. Hondo is Spanish. Not sure what it means.

    If an area in any National Forest is designated a Wilderness area it essentially means it's off limits to anything or anybody unless they're on foot. I think even bicycles and horseback riding isn't legal either.

    It's a big fine if you get caught in a Wilderness area doing something that's not allowed. Several years ago, probably more now than I'd care to admit, I think a big race car driver was snowmobiling in a western state and got lost and ended up in a Wilderness area. It was totally innocent on his part and they had to send out a search party. But they still thought long and hard about fining him even though it was a complete mistake.
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    Where is trail 195? I'm not familiar with that one.
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    If you can download the GPS file (original post) it will show you. I'm at work now and can not access BaseCamp to take a screen shot.
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    Yeah, I will when I get home. I'm at work now.

    If you ever get a chance, and have a more nimble bike than the KTM, check out Pioneer Loop. Actually, now it's not a loop, but a ride in and out. About half way up the Goose Lake road there's a trail taking off to the right. In about a mile it turns into single track. It goes for several miles and eventually comes out near a huge meadow where you can see the Taos plateau to the west. Unfortunately some land was sold several years ago and the owner closed access. So you now have to turn around. Otherwise you could ride back into Red River.
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    When I was standing outside the cabin a local drove by, saw the bikes, and told me about that trail. I could swear he told me it dumps out on the west side of town around an RV park. :confused
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    I hope that's true. It used to come back into to town on the west side right by the bunny slope and lift. But that's not out to the RV park. I know where that park is.

    Maybe, just maybe, there's been a go around created to miss the private land and it comes out farther west of town. I really hope so because it's a great morning ride of single track.

    Maybe somebody around here knows for sure.
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