Rekluse EXP

Discussion in 'Crazy-Awesome almost Dakar racers (950/990cc)' started by CrazyLegs, Dec 11, 2011.

  1. biggus

    biggus Been here awhile

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    Yes fully warmed up.

    Got the H2W Jets sitting here but a little nervous doing open heart surgery plus wanted to check the valves if that far into it. Another operation I am skiddish about. Thought about having the KTM Dealer here in Bangkok check the valves and install the jets for me. It is bad enough having a dealer in the states touch your bike let alone one in Thailand. I think I will do some more research and round up some shims to have on hand and just tackle it myself one day.

    Any thoughts on removing the Uni Filter and reinstalling the stock snorkel in the mean time? Do you think an oiled up filter skin mounted inside the air box under the snorkel would work to keep the stock paper filter clean?
  2. cjracer

    cjracer AWD please!!

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    I tried the Oil filter skin over the stock snorkel as a test years ago. I found it ran VERY rich, Way too restrictive.

    Email sent...
  3. jay71

    jay71 Farklin' Poser

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    I can't remember if I paid extra for Ken's "how to" DVD- or if it came with the H2W jet kit. I was a noob when it came to working on carbs and very intimidated. After watching Ken's video I couldn't believe how simple and easy it was. If you don't have his install DVD, buy it- you'll feel much better about tearing into those carbs. Ken explains what everything is, where they go and does a step by step install.
  4. trikeboy1

    trikeboy1 n00b

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    Hi Guys,

    Apologies for highjacking this thread but I'm after some advice . I'm a disabled rider ( cannot use my right arm/hand due to an accident ) who currently rides a Suzuki DRZ400 supermoto and a Spondon Harley Sportster flattracker which both have Rekluse clutches installed . I've also had a KTM 640 Adventure which also had a Rekluse installed . The ability to ride without the added complication of having to use a clutch lever has been invaluable and personally I think the Rekluse clutches are amazing :clap ! I'm hoping to pick up a KTM 950 Adventure in the not-too-distant future and would like to fit it with one of the new EXP clutches . However, am I right in thinking that unlike the Z-Start Pro's which I've used in the past , you need to retain the clutch lever with the EXP ? As I am looking to not use the clutch lever at all would I be better served with the older Z-Start Pro which, from prior experience , can be used without utilising the clutch lever ?
    I must clarify here that the 950 will be used solely on the street :D !
    I'm in the UK and although I have been in contact with the Rekluse importer here they are , I think , relatively new to Rekluse's and cannot comment decisively on whether the LC8 EXP needs the clutch lever retaining or not .
    I am hoping that an inmate can provide clarification on this :ear!

    Cheers ,


    Steve
  5. cjracer

    cjracer AWD please!!

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    Hi Steve,

    You would be looking for the Z-start Pro as the EXP needs the clutch lever for proper setup. Rekluse is great help and you can email them for more help too.

    Great to see that you are still on a bike. Safe travels. :freaky
  6. trikeboy1

    trikeboy1 n00b

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    Hi Craig,

    Appreciate the support mate thankyou :clap ! To clarify , once the EXP has been set up useing the clutch lever , can the lever then be discarded or would the lever still need to be retained ? I would prefer to use the EXP in my 950 as its the newer clutch ( plus its cheaper :D ) .
    Apologies if I am repeating myself !

    Regards,

    Steve
  7. MotoTex

    MotoTex Miles of Smiles

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    I guess then that the answer to my earlier question is that during a quick downshift in a curve the Rekluse will act the same as the OEM. It still could chirp the tire and/or slide a little with a brief lockup after a quick downshift, unless you take a moment to let the RPMs go to idle.

    Paraphrasing (and apologies to) Douglas Adams, it works almost, but not quite, totally unlike a Slipper clutch.

    Have I got it?
  8. cjracer

    cjracer AWD please!!

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    Hi Steve,

    What would you put in the place of the lever? Why not just keep it on for setup, but don't use it?

    Rekluse recommends the Free gain be checked before every ride... It's a 3 second procedure to make sure it working properly. This could be difficult for you as it requires revving the engine to about 5,000PMs and feeling what the lever does. Might need a helper for that.

    That's the reason to keep it on. I've found on mine that it's held up very well and needs almost no adjustment, but it will as the fibers thin out in the system.

    The Z-start pro could be checked with shims on the unit itself and away you go, no need for the clutch lever.

    The EXP is setup properly with the clutch lever.
  9. cjracer

    cjracer AWD please!!

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    Yes, Once you are above idle the engine acts just like your stock clutch. It's locked in.

    Would you down shift with out using the clutch now?

    If you can find the sweet spot and do it with the OEM clutch, you can do it with the Rekluse. I do this often, but be warned. DO it WRONG and Crunch.

    Same with upshifting. Roll off, quick shift up and back on the gas. Easy and smooth, if you know what you are doing.

    This system does take some practice and getting use to, but do get frustrated at first. Put 100 miles on it for your brain to reboot.


    BTW, if anyone wants to get an EXP, best get your name on one soon. They are moving fast and on backorder again.... these aren't sitting around collecting dust.

    cj
  10. trikeboy1

    trikeboy1 n00b

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    Hi Craig,

    Thats brilliant mate just the info I was after :clap! My preoccupation with the clutch lever issue is that, over the years, I have got used to not having the clutch lever on the left of the bars as, due to my right hand issue , I run a left-hand throttle and front brake master-cylinder/lever ( basically a mirror-image of the standard right-hand set-up on a bike ) .I think the older Z-Start Pro clutch maybe the one for me :D !
    Thanks again for your kind help and patience .

    Regards,

    Steve
  11. cjracer

    cjracer AWD please!!

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    No problem, I guess I was bit off when I was reading this. Of course your throttle and controls would be moved the LEFT. I'm an idiot.

    I've got a riding buddy with a similar setup "Wild Bill Smage", Loves the Rekluse and can ride faster than most with 2 working arms.

    Keep the passion going no matter what. Good for you!

    Good luck and safe travels. :clap
  12. MotoTex

    MotoTex Miles of Smiles

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    Just to be clear.

    "Slipper" clutches, like the one on my wife's Ducati, serve a specific purpose. In the past they were the thing of factory road racers, but of late they are showing up as OEM on some bikes.

    What it does (from the Wiki), "A slipper clutch (also known as a slider clutch or back-torque limiter) is a specialized clutch developed for performance oriented motorcycles to mitigate the effects of engine braking when riders decelerate as they enter corners."

    I was curious whether the Rekluse provided this "slipper" effect, specifically when decelerating and/or downshifting when entering a turn on pavement.

    Our big twins have a tendency to get the back wheel loose when engine braking overcomes traction. (sometimes this is what we want)

    I honestly do not expect that the Rekluse does this, and wanted to confirm just in case it does.

    Here's a slipper for the 990 from Yoyodyne Probably more of a Motard thing. Here's how it works.
    (and all this time I thought Buckaroo Banzai put Yoyodyne out of business . . .)
  13. Harold Waikiki

    Harold Waikiki oldfatdumbbrokeoutof

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    have had mine installed for about 2 weeks now on a 2011 990 dakar. been on vacation in UT, OR, will be in NM, AZ, NV. been riding it lot hard. about 70 paved and 30 dirt. works like a dream. no problems! also have on my ' 09 530 exc. and '12 350 exc. all good!
  14. KTM Pilot

    KTM Pilot Been here awhile

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    I have had mine on for about two weeks now, but only used off road for the first time today - brilliant!:clap
    This is the best mod I have made so far. Enables me to drive more smoothly and quicker in any terrain - no more stalling (then dropping bike).
    Pilot
  15. Dagwood_55

    Dagwood_55 Long timer

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    Installed the EXP, got the screw on the slave turned in only 3/4 of a turn and still have a crunch when putting into gear.

    Problem is: I still have clutch slipage. When crusing at 3000-3500 rpms and then opening the throttle in 5th or 6th gear, it will jump up 1000 rpm while slipping.

    I pulled out my clutch pack and it still looks good and is within specs when measuring.

    Anyone also have this problem in their 990? Or have any ideas
  16. Dagwood_55

    Dagwood_55 Long timer

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    Update:
    I called the good people at Rekluse. They called back, said they'd had this problem with a couple of Dukes, but not an Adv yet. Anyways, they sent me new, slightly thicker smooth clutch disk. Now all works perfectly and life is good again!!

    Again, Great help from Rekluse!!
  17. moto-treks

    moto-treks Back Home

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    I just installed a rekluse in my 990. While playing with the adjustment screw I "adjusted" it to have the same problem as you are describing by turning it in too far. I reset the adjustment screw a few times using different starting points. At a very light pressure starting point and at 3/4s turn it now works without that 1000 RPM slipping. I'll do some more testing tomorrow to to make sure i got it right.

    How much gain are you measuring? You could always turn it all the way out as described for bump starting and see if you get full engagement.
  18. biggus

    biggus Been here awhile

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    I am experiencing the same thing on my 06 950s.

    It actually is happening at all speeds and rpms. Whenever I crack the throtle wide open the clutch slips, rpms go way up until it grabs then all is good.

    Is this suppose to be normal?

    I have not had the opportunity to try it off road yet but it has got me wondering how the clutch is going to act.
  19. Dagwood_55

    Dagwood_55 Long timer

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    Same thing mine was doing. It was at all speeds/gears, but more in higher gears. I was also at 3/4 turn on the slave. Mine was slipping so bad, that I was going to go back to OEM clutch.

    But as I said, what I did was call Rekluse, Sounded like they were aware of the problem, but meybe not the extent of it, especially on the Adv bikes.

    Anyways, they sent me 6 more smooth, slightly thicker clutch disks. Now it seams to hook up better than it did, tho I only road it around the block. Today I will ride into the Ozarks 2 up and have a better idea if all is perfect.
  20. ktm950se

    ktm950se Banned

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    All these adjustment issues kinda make you wonder if changing over to this type of clutch is really worth it....

    I know that until Rekluse gets everything to work perfectly without any compromises, I'll be sticking with the stock clutch...

    ktm950se