Replacing the High Beam bulb to increase visibility?

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  1. gleyfman

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    Looking for input and ideas!

    I have been recently to the ClearLight presentation and the guy implied that "yellowish" light of the regular headlight is too "normal" and people tend to not see it after some time.
    He explains that adding the set of LED light of different temperature essentially makes it more visible to drivers.

    Before spending 500$+ on that, how about just replacing bulb in one of the headlights?
    I was thinking replacing High beam with "white/blue" H7 bulb should be a good start?

    Any thought?
    I see many people converted to HID e.t.c, so was wondering did you notice others see you better. Less cars turn in front of you?

    Thanks!
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  2. GeeK_InsiDe

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    Replaced both bulbs with Philips XtremeVision Moto. Nice upgrade for the price, but I still want some aux spot lights :D
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    Yes, I want LEDs too, but just can't bring myself to spend the money yet :evil
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    These do look good!
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    I had one on my old bike (SV650n). They were definitely an upgrade over the stock bulb, and looking at the lamp head-on, you can see that it had an orange color to it (you don't see this in the beam, though...). I would think it would definitely catch my eye in the rear-view or if I saw it coming towards me in a sea of other headlights, similar to the way you 'notice' a riced-out Honda with fake blue HIDs.
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    Claims 100% more like the extreme moto bulb. As long as it's H7 should fit. Have the PH Xtreme on my 8GS and find them much brighter than stock. Wouldn't order them on the internet/motorcycle dealer since they cost 2x as much as in your supermarket. Same bulb, same brand, same everything and I got them for 9.90€ instead of 20€ at my bike store.
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    That is a good idea, I will stop by my local moto store to see if they have it first.

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    People run into police cars and fire trucks with all their lights flashing and blinking. Do you really think changing one little bulb will wake up the brain-dead texter who thinks they're the only person on the road?

    Forget the lights, the high viz and the neon strobes. Ride like people do NOT see you and you'll be fine. As always, YMMV, Do Not Try This At Home, AFAIK and I Am Not A Lawyer.
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    +1

    Gleyfman if your aim is solely to increase your conspicuity in daylight and avoid people pulling out in front or you, IMO just increasing the amount of light your headlight emits will achieve exactly the opposite effect.

    You appear to have taken away the wrong message from the Clearwater presentation. What they (and others) advocate is a three point triangular light source to increase conspicuity.

    The reason is that a single point light source is more difficult to judge distance and speed than a multi point light source (eg a car) and beefing up the amount of light emitted by a single source makes it even more difficult to judge distance and speed. Which is why people who drive around in daylight on main beam thinking they are more conspicuous and safer are deluding themselves.
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    To be blunt, I don't believe that. Also, the only way to satisfy that implication is to buy bulbs, blue ones probably.

    Here are two useful links to start your own research.

    http://www.danielsternlighting.com
    http://store.candlepower.com

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    There a number of photo's of bike headlights where the reflector has been blackened, supposedly with stock bulbs.

    I would be a little wary of putting in brighter bulbs that put out more heat.
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    I have to totally agree with this. My wife has a Kawi KLX250SF (supermoto version of the KLX w/17 inch wheels). Its small and also black and just doesn't show up well at all. It was like every other time I rode it a car would pull out in front of me or see the bike at the last second and slam on their brakes and I was scared for her to ride it at all. So I ordered a set of these http://www.twistedthrottle.com/dena...ull-wiring-harness-and-m8-mount#review-anchor which is the smallest and cheapest Denali's that Twisted Throttle sells, mounted them on each side of the front fender and have not had a car pull out in front of her or me when on this bike since.

    Another plus is at times we ride at night returning home from work and these things light up the night. So even though pricey, they are well worth it for more than one reason.
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  19. gleyfman

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    Ok, there is no contest that adding extra lights is better.

    However I would strongly doubt statement that having stronger/whiter headlight actually makes you less visible!

    IT is not a matter of judging the distance, but being seen at all!
    From my personal experience I know I notice the cars with "blue" headlights far more often. They do stand out, as it simply something different and will trigger your brain response!

    I am inclining to go with AUX lights, but have another concern on the mounting position and methods. In many applications I have seen here it looks like the light is going to be destroyed even in small drop.
    Often it looks like it would also go through the side panels and create a lot of damage...
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  20. ebrabaek

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    I kid you not, It was like the flick of a switch ( 6000K HID) Same effect appears to be had with 6000K LED. I agree with your assessment that it is the color temp, more so that the beam.
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