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Discussion in 'Vendors' started by Visian, Jan 2, 2014.
If I can afford it I would love to get involved
As an older guy just shifting from road to adventure riding, this program has a lot of appeal to expand my (any rider's) horizons..... If the program is "high points takes the prize" ..... then a 40 something guy or gal who cashed out on a computer company IPO would have all the time and resources to chase the win against a Joe six pack with a mortgage and kid in college who doesn't have the time or budget to ride at the same level.
How bout this...have the buy in at the suggested $100 to assure some level of seriousness, and folks can chase points to the extent they can. Have maybe three tiers Bronze, Silver, and Gold, with a minimum number of points required to get to each level. "Everyone" who scores say Silver, gets entered in a drawing for that level's award. Those who make Gold are in the drawing for the bike. Each level prize would be worth enough more than the buy-in fee to motivate. You could do something special to recognize the absolute points winner too.
Just a thought....
I like the concept and the "entry" fee is certainly not so high as to be a barrier for many.
As with most things, the devil will be in the details ...coming up with a wide variety of ways to earn points, tracking/validating points, marketing the concept to Mfr's, Rally/Event Organizers, etc.
I look forward to hearing more about how points might be earned and over what time frame during the year. Might put those pitiful souls up North at a severe disadvantage...
Will ponder this...
Roaming Rally in Canada
Sandblast Rally in South Carolina
CroMag Campout in Vermont
AltRider Conserve the Ride in Pennsylvania
Are points awarded for *any* event attended or contest authorized events only? There are many things going on in all parts of the country. Some may not be as well known.
Better minds than mine will figure out the details. I'm subscribed to the thread and ready to roll!
Yes, the details.
When it comes to figuring what scores points, there will definitely be a list of events that count, but that list should come from the community.
For events, pretty much anything that isn't a race would count. So, no Sandblast, but yes CroMag, Roaming Rally, Conserve the Ride, The GS Giant, Adventure RAid... assuming you check in, make posts here or other forums, and share it on your Facebook page. If anyone has suggestions, please post them here.
For individual rides, there will be routes and destinations across the country that can be ridden at any time, as well rewards for sharing new routes.
While I glossed over the "other" prizes in my OP (to keep it short and high-level), the idea of scoring tiers qualifying you to win prizes awarded by chance would help keep more people engaged, thanks Jeff!
And there will to be some mechanisms to level the field as much as possible, so that someone with way too much time on their hands can't run away with the show... :noon
And last, I think that scoring could well be a social experience in itself. I have budgeted to pay 5 scorekeepers a modest amount to process scoring requests. And I see the need for an "I call bullshit" committee to handle protests of questionable claims.
*Ideally* much of this would be automated in future years, but this is a bootstraps effort. I hope to be able to fund the development through sponsorships gained this year.
To that end, points will *definitely* be awarded to riders that send e-mails to potential sponsors... Please send out e-mails to those you think would be good, post the link to this thread on their FB pages.... and then PM me here to document your work.
You go thru parts :huh
This sounds great Ian, can't wait to get home and read more about it......
Count me in. I have had a blast at past events you have put together.
Interesting feedback about competition vs luck of the draw on the grand prize. I would think that when you combine the skills challenge along with posting on social media, attending events, contacting sponsors, etc, it would even the playing field.
Cool! My work and kid responsibilities will limit too much far away riding over the next 10 years but this looks interesting.
IMO the value of the grand prize(s) sets the tone. The higher the value of the GP the tighter the scoring has to be if there is to be scoring involved. Once over a certain level (a new bike perhaps) then it has to be clear, concise and fair starting with the rules. A potential problem is the judging on social media and the fact that you can already score points and the game has yet to start.
The flip side is if the prizes are numerous or awarded by chance to participants only then the points are only bragging rights, the high scorer gets his or her name in lights along with a trophy but everyone there gets a shot at the big prize. Perhaps a way to combine the two is to award more chances (tickets) for the big prize based on various criteria.
Regardless I like the idea and feel confident something will come of this. When you consider Ian's track record it's a good bet. If you think it's a good idea spread the word and let's see if this seed will grow.
So a question about scoring points.
You'd shoot a video like this.... post it here, or on Facebook, or Youtube.... and then share the link to the video on the MotoSummit Facebook page, with your hashtag... #2014MotoSummit-Rider405
Does that sound like too much of a pain in the ass for 50 points?
Say you're heading from the northeast to the BMW MOA rally this summer, would an adventure detour across the UP be worth scoring some points?
Here's how it would work:
Ride the ride, shoot pics of your GPS for proof points
Visit a few POIs and take pics
Post your scoring info to a Facebook page, or a forum, or send them in via e-mail if you just don't deal with that other crap
Get bonus points for sharing "quality" photos in social media
Score bonus points for posting a ride report here on ADVrider.
Or... it this just too much hassle?
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Thanks to Cannonshot for help with the route...
If I end up going, I'd take the UP route from upstate NY so adding a little ADV fun would be worth the extra miles. Especially if the route is pre-planned. Thanks Ian.
If you zoom out on that map, or scroll to the right, you'll see Manatoulin Island, and across the lake is the Tobermory Peninsula, both in Ontario Canada. There's a ferry that connects the two points. This would make an excellent ADV ride from New England states...
I've had that island on my list for a couple of years! I have no idea why. I found it on the map and put it on my list.
This idea sounds fun.. Ian if you need help let me know what I can do.
Thanks, Matt... that is much appreciated.
So here's a little more flesh to the bones, your feedback is deeply appreciated.
The contest lasts 8 months, assuming I can get it started in March. April may be more likely, but I'd hate to miss the Trans-Florida Ride, Death Valley Noobs, Dualsport Desert Daze, March Moto Madness because each are being run by good buddies.
It looks like the most economical approach will be to enter scores manually, with Scorekeepers maintaining the riders' scores in a forum. If the mods would let me I'd do it here. I have budgeted $1,000 each for scorekeepers, in case anyone is interested.
My dream is a mobile app and a browser-based application, with a back-end that automagically calculates and posts the riders score.
Scoring for your activities can be entered in any one of these ways:
Facebook page - post or check-in including hashtag with rider number
Instagram - post including hashtag with rider number
Twitter - post including hashtag with rider number
At the MotoSummits Scoring Forum - post your claim for points
e-mail - yeah, for you old guys, send us an e-mail and we’ll post your score to the Forum for you
The hashtag will be something like MotoSummit14-### (rider number).
At the MotoSummits Scoring Forum, each rider will have a thread. They check their current score in the first post, which only Scorekeepers can edit (or the database will catch you if you try to pull a fast one!) They can also enter their claims for scores, which the Scorekeepers will add to their totals.
Proving scores is where the rubber hits the road. More on that later.
Simplicity of scoring is essential, and I really am not sure if the above is too complex. Thoughts?
Here's how you score points:
Below is the current thinking, can you think of anything else worthy of points?
Weekend-long = 500, max 3 per month - examples are March Moto Madness, Trans-Florida GS Ride, a Jimmy Lewis class, RMAR, Rick's... etc.
Week long = 1000, max 3 per year - examples are The Adventure RAid or The GS Giant, an Ayers Adventure Tour, or a tour with Rokklym on the TWAT.
< 200 miles = 150
200-400 miles = 250
400+ = 250
Remote = 150, can be scored on one of the rides.
Not-so-remote = 75 (think Tag-o-rama but a bit tougher)
ADV BS = 25 - for instance, a photo of the business end of the Crapduster… which is somewhere in SW Oregon.
Finally, your on-line socializing can count toward your total. Subject matter can be just about anything, there will be a max points per month to thwart those with way too much time on their hands, and I am contemplating some type of BS clause where others can shoot you down if your post is too lame.
Example scoring opportunities
Add MotoSummits to your forum sig line, with a link to your scoring page = X points each month
Social shares of MotoSummit activity, with hashtag = X points, max points per month
Shoot and post video on various social places
Post in social discussion between friends with hashtag = X points per post up to max
This last part is still way open to ideas.
Qualifying levels for prizes
Much more math required here, but a great idea that came from this discussion is to have tiers where you may not win the bike, but you get a damn good chance each month to win the aftermarket bling of your choice.
XXXX points required to compete for the bike, value up to $22k in bike/accessory combo
XXX - to get a monthly chance to win a $400 prize of your choice
XX - to get a monthly chance to win a $250 prize of your choice
Once you hit the level, you're in for subsequent months.
Thanks for reading this far!
I like what is forming so far. While I don't need an additional reason or focus to go ride, this format does add a potentially rewarding dividend for me and the sport with what I'm already doing and planning. In for the journey.
Thanks for your comment, and for seeing the dividend for the sport.
The best thing you can do to help make this real is to share the link to this thread with others and see if they're interested too.