Ride With GPS website...awsome.

Discussion in 'Mapping & Navigation' started by Vstromdek, Jan 23, 2010.

  1. Vstromdek

    Vstromdek Vstromdek

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    Check out: http://ridewithgps.com/

    Nice site for route/track planning, sharing, and syncing (if fixed) to Garmin's, etc. Also a searcheable database for routes/tracks, route profiles, and more.

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  2. SpenserpVT

    SpenserpVT Doctor Three Fifty

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    Looks like a handy and interesting tool! I am creating a free account right now. Thanks for sharing. :thumb
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  3. Vstromdek

    Vstromdek Vstromdek

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    No problem....I'm still checking it out too. I am getting a sync error w/ my Garmin 60cx, and I reported it to the authors.

    Very ease "non-Garmin" way to create and share a route...looks promising.:D
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  4. SpenserpVT

    SpenserpVT Doctor Three Fifty

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    Hopefully they will fix that sync error soon! I am just about to upgrade to a 60cx from my eTrex Venture HC.
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  5. zackham

    zackham n00b

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    Hey Guys,

    I'm one of the founders of ridewithgps.com. Glad to see it posted here! We're aware that that series isn't currently supported with our garmin sync feature. I'll prioritize looking into it though. If anyone has files from one of these units that they can send me, shoot them off to zackham@gmail.com

    Thanks!
    Zack Ham
    ridewithgps.com
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  6. 9Dave

    9Dave Bazinga!

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    Since the home page says "See a graph of your speed, cadence, heart rate, and more" it would seem this is aimed at bicyclists?:dunno

    I see a motorcycle helmet in the logo, but not too many moto related items in the first couple pages.


    Welcome.

    What kind of files are you referring to? The Garmin GPX files are the same for the GPSMap units.

    It looks like your site uses Garmin Connect to communicate with the GPS. I'm not sure that the GPSMap units are supported by Connect. Looks more like the Sports units like the Forerunner.

    And also - how does routing work? The GPS units have their own mapsets. Map data is required to do routing, and not everyone has the same map data. Units like the 60cx recalulate routes when loaded to them. How does your software deal with that so the route is maintained?

    Thanks,

    Dave

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    So I had a few minutes to play, created an account, and logged in.

    The site seems to use Google maps as their basemap, then adds the ability to do point and click routing. Looks interesting. I'm interested in hearing how it would work with GPS units that do their own routing via a basemap, or added maps.

    I did try to get info up/down to my 376c and received an error because my device did not support the type FitnessHistoryDirectory. So I'm guessing you have to have a unit, like the Forerunner or Edge that supports the fitness software.

    I was given the opportunity to load a gpx file from a directory on my computer. So I guess that would work for an upload. But on routing, I'm not seeing how that would work since all the road units will have to create their own route from the one loaded into the GPS, and you will have issues with different mapsets.
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  7. Robson Jaborá/SC

    Robson Jaborá/SC Brazilian Adventurer...

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    I'm in...
    Let's what it does... :hide
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  8. kaia

    kaia team F5 ⌘R

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    zack - i had a really quick question, that may appeal to others here...

    when doing a search for routes, the "thumbnail" of the route appears to use the OSM / OpenStreetMap as it's basemap, but all other views seem to use google's maps. is there any reason for this? will you be allowing users to select which basemap they use for display in the future?

    for some riders (moto or cycle) using google's maps will be sub-par as google's maps don't have trail systems. (OSM might not either, but it's up to the individual users to add them :evil) for off-road riders, this will be a crucial feature.
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  9. Nopork

    Nopork Dickhead Adventurer

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    "I did try to get info up/down to my 376c and received an error because my device did not support the type FitnessHistoryDirectory. So I'm guessing you have to have a unit, like the Forerunner or Edge that supports the fitness software."


    I had the same error message when trying to upload to my Zumo 550, it would not allow it to upload into Mapsource, in order for me to download it to the GPS or memory card. I could be doing something wrong though. Better instructions for how to interface to different Garmin units would be helpful.

    Thanks
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  10. Penguin69

    Penguin69 You pay as you go

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    Thanks for sharing, looks like a great tool!
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  11. Barney Fife

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    Yes, thanks for sharing. I got on the site today and think that it will be really useful for planning my backroads rides.

    I have a Garmin Oregon 200 and might someday buy maps after I decide whether I want City Navigator type maps or topo maps. In the meantime, I've been downloading free maps from GPSFileDepot and OpenStreetMap. For my backroads rides, I like to do my routing on my computer and then transfer tracks to my GPS. The routable OSM maps were good for this, but seemed to have discontinuities in some of the roads and wouldn't route through some places even though the roads went through. Always seemed to be on or near a county line.

    Anyway, the user interface on the RideWithGPS site is very intuitive for me and in a few minutes I was able to lay out a very circuitous 150-mile loop through the Flint Hills here in Kansas. I also checked some of the places that I'm familiar with in Colorado and could route over the 4WD passes in the San Juans near Ouray. From RideWithGPS I saved as a track to a gpx file which I can then transfer to my Oregon.
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  12. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    The Garmin Sync is using the Garmin Connect API which is not the API for interrogating the \garmin\gpx\ folders on the newer Garmin GPS's that this community use. The Garmin Connect API is only for the Garmin Fitness GPS units. What would be better for this community would be to have a "Download/Upload" link that would use the Garmin Communicator Browser Plug-in to read/write-to either of the possible \garmin\gpx\ folders on a unit. It would also be good if the on-map created route could be saved/downloaded as either a GPX Route or Track - but a GPX Track minimally.
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  13. Countdown

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    Thanks Dave, I was lost from the first page.

    Bottom line can I look at posted Tracks somehow?
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  14. Barney Fife

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    After you save your route (on the website) you are then given the option to view the route. On the screen where you are viewing your route there is a menu on the right-hand side of the page to save the route as either a route or a track in a gpx file onto your computer.

    I first saved my route as a track onto my computer and then loaded it into MapSource and it worked fine. I then tried the same except saved it as a route but that file wouldn't load into MapSource. The route file not loading is not really a problem for me since I plan to use tracks, but I thought I would share the experience.
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  15. 9Dave

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    So long as you save the route created as a track - that will work if you like tracks when riding (no turn by turn routing on a lot of units) and they will easily work with your unit. Older Garmin units, like the Streetpro, Quest, etc. do not easily handle track uploads, and will not load multiple tracks. Even the newest units like the Zumo's have problems with uploaded tracks.

    Routes are tied to mapsets, and autoroutable ones at that like City Nav, City Select, etc. (Except for point to point routes, which are not really useful in the context of this discussion). So creating a route in Google, downloading it to your PC, then trying to have your PC or GPS show that exact route will not work because the mapsets you have are not autoroutable. Even if they were, there is no guarantee they would reproduce the same route as created on the website as the PC and GPS mapping might make different choices between waypoints, and your routing preferences would also come into play.

    So it still appears to be a useful site, just not as easy for the moto world as might first appear.
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  16. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    To Dave's point, Routes are normally not of much value to the discussions here. But, to many older, and some newer, GPS's that don't do Tracks well as Dave indicated routing is important. My suggestion that the RideWithGPS site produce a Route file wasn't articulated well.

    So, I think it might be interesting to see what people think if they could get a Point-to-Point Route saved where the "shaping points" for the Route are based on the Google Directions. That way each GPS or mapping software could calculate the Route but it would maintain the "shaping points". You might still go on a road surface you weren't expecting between each shaping point but that's the case with any calculated route since it is based on a set of preferences that give variable weights to the routing algorithm.

    Unfortunately I don't think(?) Google Maps API provides LAT/LON for the Directions produced from a route.

    By the way, there currently isn't an option on the Ride With GPS "saved routes" page to save your route as a Route - only options are a gpx track - tcx - kml file.

    I think this could be a really nice site since it combines the standard Google Maps app with the features of GMaptoGPX to create and download a Track from Google Maps not to mention a KML file.:evil
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  17. konfucius

    konfucius Been here awhile

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    I don't get it, is it usefull for "Offroaders", since it uses Googlemaps it only shows roads?

    How do a make an offroad-track when I cant see anything but roads? :confused
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  18. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    Maybe not so much in your part of the world but here in North America, Mexico and south, it can be. Google Maps show roads of all kinds and in my state (Washington) there are over 200,000 miles of dirt roads in all types of condition - some not more than a faint path through the hills. They all show on Google Maps since at one time many years ago they were Forest Service roads but haven't been maintained for decades.

    If you are talking truly no-road riding then this site will not be of any value to you unless the developer goes to a lot of work to provide edit tools so you can create GMAP Polylines and save them as Tracks; which you can do in Google Maps-My Maps.
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  19. Barney Fife

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    Doesn't the "Draw Lines" selection (as opposed to "Follow Roads") on the right hand side of the screen in RideWithGPS do the same as Google Maps Polylines?

    I created a backroads route mostly using "Follow Roads" but also switched to "Draw Lines" in places where the maps wouldn't route but I knew that I could get through.
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  20. konfucius

    konfucius Been here awhile

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    Yes if you know your way, then theres no problem, but I mostly do tracks where I never been before so I need some kind of topo-map as a base.

    That sounds great, then you really have a use for Google maps!
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