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Discussion in 'Latin America' started by TeeVee, Feb 5, 2014.
May be someone here can post something on The Borderland Beat web page.
I've been stopping in daily since the start looking for news and hoping for GOOD news. It is a sad situation but it could still have a good ending...my thoughts are pushing for this.
I must say, up until recently, I was so depressed each time I checked in, but not because of any news surrounding the Harry story. It was the negative, bullying that was going on among advrider members.
When I check in on this thread now, I am disappointed by the lack of any news but when I log out, I am at peace and thankfully no longer depressed by the vile discourse that had overtaken the thread.
Wishing for all the best to Harry and his Family...keep the faith.
For those of us not wanting to join FB, any updates?
I have some hope that the silence surrounding the search indicates that progress is being made but is too sensitive for public disclosure.
"I ask you all to keep Harry in your thoughts and prayers and to picture a positive outcome as the resolution of what appears to have been an opportunistic kidnapping gets closer and closer."
Posted by Harry's mother Ann, Feb 22, 2014
I pose this for those far more worldly than I. There has been a bit of a "quiet period" with few updates from his close friends and family. Is this indicative of past "history" of the resolution of an opportunistic kidnapping?
I really hope you are correct in that line of thinking. Thoughts and prayers are with Harry and his family. Still hoping for a good outcome.
So I think I can add one data point here. A little on my background first, my Mom and setepfather lived in Mexico City up until 2003 or so. My stepdad lived there from 1962 and when he married my Mom she moved down there in 1986. Back then, kidnapping was somewhat uncommon but definitely on the rise. By the time they left in 2003, approximately 35% of their friends had been kidnapped at one point in time. All kidnapping events ended with the hostage being returned safely once the randsom was paid. Typically the lifecycle of these events were a few days, a week maximum. So to answer your question above, I would say no and that this long wait is not typical but anything is possible these days.
I sincerely hope for Harry and his family's sake that if he is kidnapped, the delay is what someone stated above and negociations are in progress.
Although, as I stated before, given the area he was in I'm more apt to think he had a solo accident but we are all guessing at this point.
My sincerest hopes and thoughts go out to everyone involved that he is found.
In these type of kidnappings, the FBI recommends complete silence and no media coverage until the crisis is resolved. Frustrated families of course, want the world to know what happened believing this will facilitate a quicker resolution. It won't.
Professional kidnappers are tech savvy enough to monitor the Internet for how much noise is being generated in the media as well as chat-rooms. The more noise, the higher the victim's profile--which leads kidnappers to believe they have a valuable hostage worthy of holding out for a larger ransom.
Or, if there is too much noise, the victim becomes a "hot potato" making the kidnappers afraid that they have bit off more than they can chew--and now worry about too much heat.
I realize that we all want to voice our concern over this situation where one of our own might be in trouble, but the less chatter, the better. Mean spirited commentary here is offensive as well as extremely painful to the victims family who are suffering while pondering the potential outcomes.
If you are compelled to comment, voice your support through direct communication with the family. Or email directly with local riders in Mexico.
Is no news no news?
March 8th on Help Find Harry Facebook Page:
As so many of you around the world know, Tomorrow is Harry's Birthday, He has been heavy on my mind these last few days as we continue to search for him in Mexico. I ask each and every one of you to do a few things
.First, say a prayer tonight that we find Harry, second, Harry IS a loving and giving person who loved people, this world and his goals in life is always to pay it forward
for Harrys Birthday, lets each pay it forward, for Harry.
the below is a message from a very close friend of Harrys, she sent this today to me, she hurts so much, misses her brother so much
..as we all do.
I am sitting here feeling a bit nostalgic, I wanna ask everyone to make a toast toHarry at Midnight tonight, for his Birthday, I also wanted to take this time to thank everyone, those who sent notes, good thoughts, gave there time, from all over the world trying to find Harry(and we will!!) for we will find our missing brother!!! Heres to Harry, Happy Birthday my Brother
We all love you Harry, and we all can not wait for your to come home
..safe and sound
please help us find Harry, continue to send us your messages, ideas, thoughts, prayers and PLEASE SPEAK UP, to the good people of Mexico,
help us find Harry
Any news? A quick Googling didn't reveal much, seems to have dropped out of the spotlight. Any new ideas or directions?
Hi Hesaid, I'm connected with the family on Facebook and still no new news. I feel for the family so much.
Ann, your posts are so kind and inspirational. As for the cooperation of the Mexican Government, not so much. The fact they have so much on there "Plate", is their own fault. They should realize, the "appetizer" sets the stage for what is to follow! By finding "Harry", they could improve the overall outlook for tourism throughout all of Mexico! Having made 7 lengthy riding trips throughout Mexico over a 10 year span and another planned in October, I must say that reading this report, finding one of own missing and seeing the "Mexican Minute" turning into Month's, is troublesome. I once again admire your "courage" and will pray for Harry "Safe" return. :) Thanks again Ann,
Captain Ken, Mpls
It is tough to see something like this unfold, and I am sorry to hear about this good souls encounter with issues in Mexico.
Not to take away anything from the missing motorcyclist, but, one must always weight the risk and issues in developing countries, Central America, and issues that create headaches for loved ones.
The police and investigators are no where nearly as good, or trained, as back home in the modern western world. Justice is not common nor to be expected. Courts, Tribunals, Judges, Police, may all be well for that particular country, with the intention to assist, arrest, convict a criminal, but in reality, its not going to happen.
In some ways, its like the medical offerings in the same places, you basically have clinics, that dont have MRI, Cat Scans or western trained doctors, and access to the latest and greatest procedures, unless you are in the capital or a major city, otherwise, you are hours from a good DR and good medical care, you might even have to take a taxi for hours to a hospital in these parts.
So, you have two risk that need to be acknowledged, one, police and justice hardly exist in these parts, and medical/emergency support can be non existent or lacking on many levels.
Both these factors, can mean your life. 99% of tourist and travelers have a fine time in these parts and no issues, but when shit does hit the fan, dont expect anything to be normal, as good, or as professional, as back home.
People forget this. If you look at the very popular country Costa Rica, and examine the deaths of foreigners, there are three types.
1- Accident, usually a bad car accident, drowning in rip tides in the ocean, and drug overdose. Many of these deaths could of been saved, but there are no emergency, rescue or medical personnel to get the job done.
2- Murder, which is actually not uncommon, they rarely solved, the perps rarely are arrested and convicted, and it usually involves money disputes, landowner disputes, employees, flaunting of wealth resulting in home invasions or car jackings. Criminal elements see gringos as naive and easy to threaten, period.
3- Drugs, cheap, easy to access, and all the wrong types you should be associating with, and its not narco traffickers and gangs, its small time dealers and thugs.
Nightime is the other common denominator for tourist/foreigners getting into trouble, partying, driving, walking, its not a good time to be out n about in areas you dont know the ropes, and what to avoid.
My prayers are with this gents family and friends, and I hope he is okay and comes home. But the reality is, it aint Kansas.
Hoping for some good news on this.
Maybe some bad news...
Rumors of kidnapping by Cartel leader "El Tigre"?
If true--absolutely horrible news.
So his mom is down there looking for him. And she used to live there.
Are cartel hits on foreign tourists about as likely as a shark attack?