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Discussion in 'Pacific Northwet - Where it's green. And wet.' started by Apple Jam, Feb 9, 2011.
You guys are good dog people.
They thank you.
Welcome back Jeff and Shelley, looks like a great trip!
Stay tuned for an opportunity to go explore the area with the two of us next summer. A plan is in the works!
What a life you 2 have. Planning each years vacations around motoadventures TOGETHER!!
Looks like an awesome trip.
Gonna have to put it on the list of things to do.
Nice trip Apple Jam and also thank you for the advice about the Sasquatch ride you gave me on another forum; I did it and had a great time!
I have been reading this forum for quite a while, but rarely post as I just don't make it out riding nearly enough with a 5 and 3 year old at home. I'm finally heading out tonight after work through Monday on a "ride around the Hood!" I just wanted to take a moment and thank all of you for the great reports and inspriration!
Thanks to a post by CineRider, my buddy and I plan to head out tonight after work and camp at Alpine Campground before meeting up with two more friends tomorrow at Trillium Lake and beginning our ride around the Hood. This brings me to my title question... According to the Forest Service, Alpine Campground closed on 9/7/14, but when I talked to a guy named Mike at the Forest Service, he said that I could still camp there, but there just wouldn't be any services (i.e. trash removal) so you have to pack out what you pack in (OK, no problem, I do this anyway because I told him I'm on a bike and don't pack much in to begin with and am used to dispersed camping...) He also tells me that since the campground is closed, I don't have to pay. Finally, he says if there is a gate, I can go around it, but just make sure not to park in front of the gate or block the gate in any way...
This is the first I had ever heard this information and based on the source I have to believe it is correct and based on the fact that it is "our" national forest, the logic makes sense, but there is a part of me that is still somewhat suspicious of this... I thought I would get the experts in this forum to opine on this. Can anyone confirm or deny this???
Thanks again everyone!
IMHO the rules in are print, and an employees opinion or advice means nothing. Its up to you to do as you see fit though.
Why is this even a question? The speed limit says 55 in most of oregon- do you ever ask if you can go faster? And you just talked to the Forest Service guy who gave you an answer that you wanted to hear. Why are you asking the same question from a 2nd or 3rd hand source completely unrelated to the Forest Service?
I understand, you just want confirmation and don't want to get in trouble or cause trouble. Just be discreet and don't make it an issue.
Wow, not quite the response I was expecting from this forum... To answer your questions, while trying not to get too defensive :), I posed the question for three primary reasons:
1. Although this was new information to me, I don't by any means expect or assume to be an expert in the area and for all I know, this may be common knowledge that just wasn't common to me yet...
2. I thought this was a topic that others on this forum may be interested in knowing so I was trying to be nice and pass on what I thought was interesting information that I had never heard before and figured there were probably a few people out there like me that hadn't heard this before.
3. I'm asking the same question here that I previously asked the Forest Service because of the respect that I have for the other members' experience, who spend a lot of time riding and camping around Mt. Hood and may already know the answer to this or have come accross this before and be able to point out something in writing or I suspect there may even be someone on here that works for the USFS or has a friend/brother etc. that does who could point me in the right direction...
For what it's worth, I put in a second call to the USFS and talked to a person in the Barlow district (I spoke with someone in the Zig Zag district the first time) and posed the same questions and got the same answers. I also asked if there were something in writing I could see or have to show to anyone that may not be in the know, but she couldn't point me to anything. She did give me the number of someone else, who oversees both districts and I am waiting for a call back...
To be honest, I'd rather just not even camp in a campground, but this just intrigued me and I wanted to know the answer...
Appreciate the info Dual Rider.
I'm also glad you posted about it, and waiting for a further clarification. Not liking that campgrounds are posted closed but aren't. Two-facing just makes for trouble.
Thank you! I still haven't heard back yet, but basically it seems to come down to the meaning of "closed". If it is closed, it is closed for all services (trash removal, bathroom cleaning, bathrooms may be locked etc.), but this does not mean that it is illegal to still camp there as it is still part of the national forest... It actually makes some sense to me. One of the people I talked to said that if they didn't close it, there would just be trash everywhere as not everyone packs out what they pack in like I/we do and assume that is just someone else's job to pick up after them... Sad, but probably true...
They allow camping at the Rock Cr. Res. campground after the camp host leaves for the season. They do shut the water off, and close the bathrooms but it is free and I was told it was no problem. I was kind of skeptical until the hunters arrived one weekend and filled the place up. I was parked up there for a couple weeks while working in the area a few years ago.
I'll bet a lot of campgrounds allow camping after the season ends.
Go north a little ways to Bonnie Crossing. It's on Badger Creek. I've camped there in Feb. when the sign said closed, but the toilets were open & no one bothered us.
I worked in recreation for the Gifford Pinchot NF. The policy is the same. You can camp in a "closed " campground. We found it was better to leave the toilets unlocked. That way, the doors don't get shot up. If it is a campground managed by a private company, they may lock the doors.
If anyone finds a black Acerbis bark buster up Mill Creek, Mill Creek Butte, Ketchum Rd., Hedges Grade, Road 17 system...please PM me. It belongs on my DRZ that I just purchased a week ago. Jeff apparently left it up there for a scavenger hunt.
Lots of ash falling and smoke in OC from a fire in the Hood
I hope they contain it soon.
New that there was something going on when...the sun cast a real orange haze through our trees. We don't have any regular news service at the house up here, so was good to catch this info. thanks.