Riding RTW and back…for as long as it takes - on as much dirt as possible!!!

Discussion in 'Ride Reports - Epic Rides' started by rtwpaul, Dec 12, 2015.

  1. just jeff

    just jeff Long timer

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    Paul,
    Hope you and El have the best riding year ever! FYI....That back tire looks a bit low!:lol3
    Best Regards....just jeff
  2. RedHawk47

    RedHawk47 Adventurer

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    I really like this photo painting.
    My first guess on location is the road to the San Francisco De La Sierra cave paintings, BCS.
    Second guess is Hwy 3, BC.

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  3. rtwpaul

    rtwpaul out riding...

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    no and no, its the 62 to Cedral, before the turnoff to R14
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  4. rtwpaul

    rtwpaul out riding...

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    It's time for that money talk again and all things RTW cost-related...and to help you guys that want to get out here the real cost of world travel

    Let's call this - Money/ RTW costs 2.0

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    We get asked a lot how we afford this lifestyle, so, due to that question for the last two years, I have tried to keep more detailed daily records. I know from all my travels as a solo rider worldwide that I spent, average per day -

    2011 $55
    2012 $65
    2013 $44
    2014 $46
    2015 $42

    ...but that's about all I can tell you, hence this!

    If you go back to page 81 I did a detailed breakdown of costs
    and this is a follow-on to that to show you it wasn't a fluke.

    A month or so ago Egle wrote an article for advpulse 'search finances' if you want to go find it. To do research she asked in a few various groups what they were or had budgeted for their time on the road, the question was very simple - total cost divided by the number of days on the road, that is what YOUR budget was/ is regardless of where you ride.

    It caused a basic shit storm as riders argued about it all depends on where you ride, what you ride, what you eat, how long you go...adnauseam. Well, that wasn't her question, she's the journalist and will do the deeper involved thinking and interviewing once she had a range of people to talk to, but it was hilarious to read as each successive person tried to be better than the last.

    One couple stated they'd ridden RTW for around 3 years on two bikes and only spent about $50k, impressive!

    Until directly asked for details when they came up with a second figure close to $120K! Why the big difference, they hadn't included things like shipping, visas, unique visits to places, clothes and lots of other random things...they didn't feel these were costs of the trip so weren't included in the budget.

    This is no help to anyone because if people tried to follow the tracks they would be done in 18 months. Basically, they tried to look good to the masses but when asked their $50 +/- a day was actually more like $115 +/-, not sure what their point was, why even bother or lie to yourself, they weren't included in the article.

    The reason I bring that up is to let you know this is real costs, everything is included, bar one item. That one thing is the new(ish) bikes we switched to. I could have sold my Super Tenere and bought and set up the DR's but instead and not been out of pocket, but, I decided to help a friend who had lost a lot of possessions due to excessive medical bills, one of which was his motorcycle, I gave him my bike for the remaining duration of our trip and 'found money' for the DR's - so in my mind the bike swap is a wash!

    For the riding year 2016 I stated this - GRAND TOTAL ONE YEAR ON THE ROAD = $24,034.74 or $65.85 per day avg. If you want to know where we rode in 2016 go back to page one, but it was 26 countries, mostly in Europe and some of them a couple of times

    So what's changed?

    In 2017 we have ridden in the following countries -

    • Greece
    • Italy
    • Spain
    • Andorra (for about 10 minutes)
    • France
    • England
    • USA
    • Canada
    • Mexico
    We have also shipped (air freight) the S10 from England to Arizona

    As in 2016, I keep a track of all expenses in four simple categories for 2017 - Fuel/ Food/ Accommodation/ Miscellaneous or everything else. I guesstimated the budget for Europe to be $82 per day and North America at $75, this is for two people

    yes I could be more accurate and take note of how many liters of fuel or oil we used per bike, MPG, how much for breakfast/ lunch/ dinner, haircuts, new socks etc. but for me I don't find that information necessary, I just want a solid yearly figure and a little detail. YMMV


    1.Fuel - this is just fuel nothing else at all

    Fuel Cost for the year was - $3596.30 or $9.85 a day

    From April onwards we were on two bikes, ironically switching from one bike to two our fuel costs decreased by $33.62 year on year


    2. Food - just food nothing else, from restaurants, bars, street food or supermarket food cooking for ourselves

    Food costs for the year were - $8212.49 or $22.50 per day. Our year on year food costs increased by $750.91 year on year


    3. Accommodation - this is hotels, hostels, Airbnb, camping in a campground or wild camping, staying with friends or other invites from riders worldwide. (huge thanks for that all of you that we met throughout the year)

    Accommodation costs for the year were - $4732.86 or $12.97 a day. Our year on year accommodation costs decreased by $88.90


    4. Miscellaneous - this is everything else, oil changes, tires, new boots, ferries, shipping, air freight, mail, visas, museums etc. I just make a note daily so I can see where the money went but don't break the details down more than that

    Misc. costs for the year were - $7279.23 or $19.94 a day. Our year on year misc. costs decreased by $450.35 year on year


    Our biggest expense of 2017 not surprisingly was getting the S10 back from Europe, a one time hit of $1668.65, for the bike and us to be back in the US



    Overall grand total costs for the 2017 year are - $23,820.88 or $65.26 per day for two people on two bikes for most of the year -

    or $3290 under the budgeted amount for the year


    As you can see RTW costs have changed very little it was 59¢ a day more expensive last year and we were on the most expensive continent, Europe. Hopefully by me being transparent and telling you all this information you have a better feeling of freedom (if so inclined and able) to get out into the world and see a little more than you thought your money would stretch to.

    2018 onwards will be interesting for costs/ expenses as it is probably the most traveled route/ direction - North America to South America


    **** EDIT: As an afterthought, if we had switched from one motorcycle to a van/ truck/ mini RV our costs would most likely be less than riding two motorcycles!

    The only expense that would be greater would be shipping, so yearly costs might even out due to that.

    There would have been more sleeping in our vehicle, fuel would be around the same as it is for two bikes IF we had a fuel-efficient vehicle...makes you think?
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  5. joenuclear

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    Thanks Paul. It helps to have this real world perspective.
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  6. skibum69

    skibum69 slave to gravity

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    I admire your ability to keep track of all the numbers. If you want to switch to a nice fuel efficient van I can sell you a 2015 Sprinter:dj
  7. rtwpaul

    rtwpaul out riding...

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    Its only 4 numbers to keep track of, so simple...your van, fill it full with some your of your best beer, then...
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  8. skibum69

    skibum69 slave to gravity

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    I can throw in some very nice beer. I'll even give you a sweet deal. Let me know when you want to start sending me $$.:D
  9. Wind_Rider

    Wind_Rider Been here awhile

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    Thanks for sharing your RTW Money 2.0 numbers Paul. It is nice to see these numbers from real world experience.

    Happy New Year and Happy Trails in 2018.
  10. roadcapDen

    roadcapDen Ass, Grass or Gas, no free rides.

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    Much appreciated Paul, thanks! All the best to you both.
    It's like WOW, I could get used to staying in an RV in Baja or mainland.

    Question, any other of the Countries paper/plastic money you have have Braille on them like Canada?
  11. rtwpaul

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    No, and to be honest I never knew it was on CAD, guess my hands are to callused from riding to have felt it.
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  12. skibum69

    skibum69 slave to gravity

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    Funny, I had no idea our cash had braille on it. We just confirmed it. Bad me!
  13. rtwpaul

    rtwpaul out riding...

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    i blame beer, it numbs the fingertips, its a fact i read it on the internet so it must be true :jack
  14. Ohio_Danimal

    Ohio_Danimal If I die trying, at least I tried

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    Thanks Paul...oddly close to my estimate for a trip coming up, and reassuring coming from you.
  15. skibum69

    skibum69 slave to gravity

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    Beer would explain why I couldn't feel a thing:lol3
  16. Dirt Road Cowboy

    Dirt Road Cowboy I aim to misbehave.

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    That's what she said! :photog
  17. Mossy87

    Mossy87 Irish inside!

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    Just caught up on the last 3 months worth here although I've been following on FB and IG.
    Happy and safe new year to you both. Looking forward to next installment.
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  18. rtwpaul

    rtwpaul out riding...

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    We asked around to see if we could go out of town heading west, the answer was a solid no, multiple bridges out and rivers at around chest height so with no alternative we headed back out the way we came in.

    Coming out of Batopilas after a night of heavy rain you kind of expect new landslides, and there were a few but luckily no new big ones like we had passed on the way down. so the ride up was free and clear of new obstacles

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    As the Copper Canyon was mostly washed out we did a couple of solid days riding to get a little more south hoping for better weather, via Parral and then onto Parras de la Fuente.

    What we found on the way was bad gas, the possibility of not making it as my bike was intermittently cutting out every 20-50 miles. Initially, I thought water in the fuel from all the heavy rain but as it wasn't consistent it could only be dirty gas occasionally blocking the jets for a fraction of second...but enough to make you go "oh shit!" as the bike dies then kicks back in.

    Finally making it and reuniting with Thomas and Sandra in Parras who had gone ahead to find the four of us a hotel with heating, what they found instead was unseasonably cold weather and all but one hotel did not have heating (or cooling) and as they are telling us this, this white stuff came from the sky...

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    As a rare treat, we booked into a suite, now before you go thinking we suddenly came into money, no! A single room with one heater was 800 pesos, but a suite with two bedrooms and a common living room and two wall heaters and four gas heaters was $1000 pesos.

    Almost got Thoams to celebrate with some cheese puffs :lol3

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    The following day things were back to normal and we discovered Gus Fring might have come back to life

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    Once the weather had warmed up we went our separate ways again, San Luis Potosi was our destination for a few days surround by the amazing architecture from the 17th century and the occasional statues, scary and then not so much

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    As we cook for ourselves most meals we tend to go shopping in local markets and look for bargains and unusual food but we're always amazed at the selection of various goods that are for sale but no one seems to be buying, at least when we're around

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    Once we had our selection we headed back to our hotel and along the way went by a washing machine store, now for those of you that have read Egle's ride report you'll know good things happen in washing machine stores, so we thought we'd ask a question -

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    200cc, 4 stroke, 5 speed, kick and electric for $1125, another $80 for registration and a plate and you are free to travel Mexico or further, and as an added bonus they throw in a helmet! If you haven't, you need to read her ride report HERE and think about what an adventure could be for a small amount of coin. (sadly Photobucket 'stole' the photos of the first 12 pages)

    then you could just blend in with the crowd

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    We got a message from T & S to meet up, I had suggested Real de Catorce and they agreed so we took a few back roads, (the surreal new years eve picture) and arranged a meet at the bottom of the cobbled road leading to the town.

    ***note: I have a few new photo programs so will be throwing the occasional curveball in, once in a while...like now. The reason being, there are good photos and lots that hit the cutting room floor so to speak, but occasionally a really bad one, can be made a little unique if its looked at in an alternate manner - so how about a watercolor?

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    or a full blown tone mapped HDR while we waited for T & S

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    R14 never disappoints, so here are a few as we wandered

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    you can google translate this one...

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    All those hills and walking make you hungry?

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    We must have had the stink of good food on us 'cause every dog on a rooftop new we were coming

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    Leaving town we DID get to leave the alternate way, but it DIDN'T go as smooth as planned...
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  19. ScotsFire

    ScotsFire Just this guy...

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    That bike isn’t blue. It’ll never work out.
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  20. lifeofliberty

    lifeofliberty If you're bored, you're not living

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    Agreed. It also doesn't have the right three-letter logo. There's just no way that this is ever going to work or be an adventure.
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