Riding technique

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  1. southern cross

    southern cross WARDY

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    On another forum I mentioned when riding on dirt, to stand on the pegs to lower the centre of gravity thereby giving more control of the bike. A respondent claimed there was TWO CoGs in play, one being the bike the other the rider. I also mentioned the weighting the pegs, to which he claimed it made no difference but perhaps maybe some expert riders might sometimes use this technique. Have I been doing it wrong for 44 years?

    How do you ride, your thoughts?
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  2. tHEtREV

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  3. Oldfatbeerman

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    If you been doing it for 44 years and it's worked ..... why question it just cause some goob on an internet forum dosn't agree with your methods ?

    Ther's always some body with a different opinion or different techniqe to yours ... accept it and get on with your own life .
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  4. gsd4me

    gsd4me 90% bluff

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    If it has worked for you for 44 years then you are doing it correctly. There is no real need to do what others do, but if you think something else may work for you then try it; if it doesn`t work, discard it.
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  6. Dave Nolan

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    Stand up on the pegs whenever you see a camera
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  7. southern cross

    southern cross WARDY

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    Well it was tongue in cheek after all! My real interest was the TWO CoGs, that's news to me, the others are obvious the basics.
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    Big Willy two dementional

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    That's not true
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  9. gsd4me

    gsd4me 90% bluff

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    But only if you are riding a BMW R1150GSA and wearing the full BMW clown suit.
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  10. Chop Chop

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    An object will only have one CoG. You have a CoG and the bike has a CoG separately, but once you mount the bike you form one object, hence one CoG. This changes position as you and the bike move around affecting the balance point. Calculating where the CoG is complicated because both of you are asymetrical objects that can change shape and the position where you connect to each other.

    Hope that BSBB:D
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  11. mudmonster

    mudmonster Been here awhile

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    Your first mistake was listening to Wally's that get all technical about how to ride a motorcycle the " correct way " ,when I started racing motocross and short circuit many moons ago most people sat down most of the time now the new technique is to be standing most of the time. I recon whatever your smooth and in control with stick to it and let others do what they believe is right.
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    Would a pirate suit work with a BMW R1150GSA, David ?
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  13. Tiggs

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    If you stand up on the pegs while riding you HAVE LOWERED the centre of gravity of bike and rider as one, if you sit on the seat you HAVE RAISED the centre of gravity of bike and rider as one. This is not an opinion it's a fact! :jjen
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  15. farawayman

    farawayman Been here awhile

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    How does standing on a chair lower the centre of gravity compared to sitting on it? :dunno
    Deferent on a motorbike I guess

    And since when did your opinion become fact? :pot

    How often do I need to change the BMW air in my tyres and where do I get some for a reasonable price? :lol3 :lol3
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  16. vagueout

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    I'd like to stand up on the pegs on my bmw but it will be only further to fall.:eek1:p3rry
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  17. Dr AT

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    Tiggs, it's not fact, it's a common misconception. Equal amongst myths like KTM's are unreliable and girls can't ride motorbikes.

    Total COG goes upward, but because the riders fulcrum point is lowered and leverage is increased , the rider has more control of the bike. At this point we should ask an engineering type to draw some pictures
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  18. Matt D

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    I don't really get all caught up in centre of gravity nonsense, you're constantly adjusting the body language anyway so to say you should stand or sit is a bit silly really.. Weighting the pegs is an advanced technique? :rofl When I started riding dirt I was taught to steer the bike almost exclusively by weighting the pegs, with very minimal upper body input. I find it makes a huge difference to the amount of traction you get - infact some terrain is damn near impossible to ride if you don't.
    Say you're riding a steep clay cross slope on single track and you need to turn a hairpin back up the hill. Without weighting the pegs correctly and riding outside the bike you won't be going very far!
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  19. Tiggs

    Tiggs Dreamin of Adventure

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    Please dont be a wanker! You missed the point!

    I said this is NOT AN OPINION, it is a fact! So it's not my opinion or anyone's opinion it is the science of gravity.
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  20. Midnullarbor

    Midnullarbor Been here awhile

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    Tiggsie, I weep for you.

    Also, I would be very interested to hear which other forums are having a discussion on "CoGs" and "weighting the pegs".

    AFAIK the only thread about that, running at the moment, is on a Strom-based forum.
    Having an interest in that thread, I went back and read through it very thoroughly.
    Nowhere did anyone state that what we loosely call "weighting the pegs" made no difference.
    Possibly someone reading through the thread at 400 words per minute might have got that impression ~ but a careful read shows that was not what was actually said or intended.

    There, the question of "CoGs" was rather more entertaining . . . if you like being entertained by a lot of people at cross-purposes, owing to some failures to recognise what engineers mean by the term.
    And that confusion seems to be raising its head now in this ADV thread !

    Alas, the problems that come from misunderstandings and poor communication . . .

    * Matt D is expressing things very well ~ and I like his term "riding outside the bike", which is a much more meaningful term than the traditional-but-sloppy "weighting the peg". Good onya.
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