Road Testing my Spud (prototype II)

Discussion in 'Ride Reports - Day Trippin'' started by PapaYolk, Oct 3, 2011.

  1. munchmeister

    munchmeister Grow'd Up Mini Trail

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    First, my qualifications: I'm an old fu*ker, too. Camping and crawling around on my hands and knees just ain't cuttin' it for me. I have a nice Big Agnes bag with the sleeve on the bottom for a nice 3" air mattress. I even have a LuxuryLite cot that is the best thing yet for sleeping low to the ground. Once I'm down there, I can sleep pretty well. I'd love to find something that would allow me to camp on my dream trips around the country. So I'm glad you're thinkin', pard.

    I keep coming back to this thread for those reasons. But here are a few of my concerns, which you should hear about before you go spending good money on a patent lawyer. I know they don't come cheap and if you find some lawyer who says he'll do it for a cut of the profits. BEWARE. Especially in the legal business, you get what you pay for. Trust me on that one... I am a lawyer.

    Where is the protection from a) Rain and b) bugs, such as mosquitoes?

    What if the site you want to camp at is a distance away from the parking area for the bike? E.g. rallies?

    What if you want to change clothes? Or, heaven forbid, your S.O. comes along and isn't quite interested in changing into her dainties by the side of the road?

    Now maybe you have answers for these, maybe you don't care, but if you hope to market this thing, you should broaden your target audience, not narrow it. Tents sell because they can be used by all kinds of people in all kinds of circumstances, can be carried in car or motorcycle luggage, are light weight, kids, dogs, grandpa can fit.... yada, yada, yada.

    The Uni Go and the Uni Track and many other similar luggage trailers have not made a very big splash. Maybe that is because they are missing what you have in your rig. Or maybe this is a very small target audience and the potential for buyers is small. As fun as your pictures are and as much as we love to see the roadside hillbilly shots of your makeshift campsite by the side of the road with a gun in prominent display, I just don't see this thing selling much, unless you address these kinds of issues. The only thing missing from the pics is a jug o' moonshine. :1drink

    Not to disparage you from the great American dream. I'm just throwing a little good ol' reality and skepticism your way. These are questions potential buyers will ask, especially when you find that you've got to charge $2500 to get this thing built proper and make it marketable, with a decent website, e-commerce, whatever. Keeping it in the family or building a few for your buds might work out just fine. Marketing to the world is another thang altogether.

    Just trying to be real here bro, No spite intended. :freaky
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  2. Draechon

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    This is awesome! I've seen motorcycle camping trailers towed by Harley dressers that convert out at a campsite with a fridge, inflatable queen size bed, A/C, and everything that retail for ~$4k (word of mouth, did not ever investigate myself), but would personally be much more interested in a simple set-up like this. That extra 30 minutes to set up or break down camp would come in handy.

    Good luck with your design. I've bookmarked your website and plan to check in to see progress.
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  3. PapaYolk

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    "But here are a few of my concerns, which you should hear about before you go spending good money on a patent lawyer. I know they don't come cheap and if you find some lawyer who says he'll do it for a cut of the profits. BEWARE. Especially in the legal business, you get what you pay for. Trust me on that one... I am a lawyer."

    Well, Pard, I appreciate your concerns that you think I should hear about. That right there tells me that if you are a lawyer you're a poor one. A good lawyer knows words. It would be "read about" in this context, counselor. And a good lawyer would also know I have already payed to file for a patent or this thread's revelations would have rendered my invention "prior art".

    " Trust me on that one... I am a lawyer." Never trust a man that says "Trust me on this one". It implies he can't be trusted. It's like saying "Let me be honest with you" says you would otherwise default to dishonest.

    "Where is the protection from a) Rain and b) bugs, such as mosquitoes?" I like simple. I use a tarp while testing my prototype. Understand that a proto proves a concept. A production model will have some popup shock rod and nylon affair with, no doubt, optional add on crap, but that's all candy. Tarp and bug juice does me fine.

    note tarp:
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    "What if the site you want to camp at is a distance away from the parking area for the bike? E.g. rallies?" What if you don't? I guess, counselor, you missed the pic where I rolled Spud into the woods. Easier than pushing a wheelbarrow: spud has two wheels.

    What if I want to change my panties? It's just a niche market? Cargo trailers don't sell? Why not use a tent? ...yada, yada?

    [heavy sigh]

    "As fun as your pictures are and as much as we love to see the roadside hillbilly shots of your makeshift campsite by the side of the road with a gun in prominent display, I just don't see this thing selling much, unless you address these kinds of issues. The only thing missing from the pics is a jug o' moonshine. :1drink"

    Now, is not this a bit snarky and condescending, counselor. Did you even read this thread? Hunting?

    "Not to disparage you from the great American dream. I'm just throwing a little good ol' reality and skepticism your way. These are questions potential buyers will ask, especially when you find that you've got to charge $2500 to get this thing built proper and make it marketable, with a decent website, e-commerce, whatever. Keeping it in the family or building a few for your buds might work out just fine. Marketing to the world is another thang altogether."

    Well, dang it all. What's this here Foreign Filling License thang that their Patent office has sent me? [Takes a pull on the jug]

    A production model will cost what the market will pay. I was in the market for a website and only wanted to pay $9.99. It worked. You read it. Here is a bit of old advice from the book of Proverbs.

    "Even a fool is counted wise when he holds his tongue." --or in this case, keyboard, Bro.
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  4. Dan Alexander

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    :lol3
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  5. PapaYolk

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    Yes, me too. I've drawn up a wider rig to pull behind a Ural with sidecar, and just aesthetically it would have to use motorcycle wheels. I went with the automotive running gear because it was off the shelf and easy to get for the proto. Options will be worked out by whichever manufacturer snags my licensing agreement. I would hope for one with a custom shop for high end orders and a no candy unit for $1600-2000? One thing that will be included in that licensing agreement is sponsorship of a solo around the world promotional ride by me.:evil
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  6. slyeager

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    These come with a free jug of moonshine??? :rofl


    This trailer won't be for everyone, just as any tent or other camper wouldn't be either. I like the simplicity of the Idaho Bedroll, It fits my style of camping when I'm off on my own.
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  7. Dan Alexander

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    Need any company on that sponsored trip??

    It would look great with two of those in the video's :D
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  8. davesupreme

    davesupreme grand poobah

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    without quoting the lawyer dork's words again, which you rebuttled quite nicely, i would like to add this, one of my favorite riddles......


    you know the difference between a lawyer and a catfish????

    one's a cold blooded, slimy, garbage eating bottom feeder..... and the other's a fish....:D



    i'm bettin' the putz drives a new beemer, has the dealer change his oil, and thinks a .243 is some kinda tire size.... :deal..... some people just got no soul..... but i can tell, you ain't one of them.... carry on smartly, bro......
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  9. ben2go

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    I put the word out on http://www.tearjerkers.net ( http://tearjerkers.net/new_forum/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=5107 )and a direct link to your write up.There is quite the following of small camp trailers over there.I only stand behind products that I believe in,even if some consider it a niche market.This little trailer is so cool and packs small,I can she a lot of solo riders and couples buying these.At the $1600 to $2000 price point,I really don't think it will be a hard sell.It's so light,that in the off season,it could be unpacked and stood up in the corner of a garage,storage unit,or outbuilding.Maybe even consider adding a collapsible or folding tongue.There's so many other uses,such as those days when ya just wanna run errands and need to haul small items.I see more uses for the spud other than soley a camp trailer.
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  10. Skowinski

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    Just ran across this. I personally don't want to pull a trailer, but, damn, that is pretty cool! :thumb
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  11. theWolfTamer

    theWolfTamer Lupie on a Mission

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    I didn't think I wanted one either til I saw this. Now I've got another penny jar going. Maybe by the time he's in production I'll be ready!
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  12. Trailrider ZA

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  13. munchmeister

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    Oh my god. The bottom feeder joke. Oh, ouch, oh god, please don't be so mean bro. You might really hurt my feelings!

    You mean a .243 isn't a tire????

    Sell a million PapaYolk, sell a million.
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  14. beechum1

    beechum1 Dandole Gas al Burro

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    Sticks and stones. i thought he was being helpful. Whatever, guess I'll just go make my own instead of buying one of yours. Hope you do well, but maybe let someone else do the marketing and customer service.

    Nevertheless, good job on the build, and a great idea.
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  15. PapaYolk

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    "Sell a million PapaYolk, sell a million."

    You bet, Bro. But some one else will do the selling. I'm sure you realize I went a little toe to toe with you as a vent to all those helpful words of caution I have received from every quarter with tenor ranging from airy condescension to viscous pity from this projects start. "Go take a nap, old man." OK. But I'm going to see the world from the edge of my bed. Dirt nap soon enough.

    So I'll keep chumming for a manufacturer and bungling along. I'm not a businessman, just a rider that has made a thing to meet a need, a thing of value, a chunk of intellectual property. That chunk's now being assayed here at AR. Soon someone will show up at my door to make a good offer then take my "chunk of thinking" off to be refined.

    "Sticks and stones. i thought he was being helpful. Whatever, guess I'll just go make my own instead of buying one of yours. Hope you do well, but maybe let someone else do the marketing and customer service." --beechum1

    See? This is why I'm not a businessman. Someone you've never met get's their panties in a wad as a self-rationalization to steal from you. Silly beechum, packing away a stinky karma bomb. Cool. More reinforcement to my work being a thing of value. It's worth stealing. Notice to all poachers: If we meet on the road you will be dispossessed of my property and I'll give it to a hobo.
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  16. Dan Alexander

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    PY, you sure do have a way with words :D
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  17. JackJack

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    Want! That's a very clever set up. I could pull that behind my car for winter camping and not have to sleep on the ground or buy an overweight pop-up.
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  18. WaywardSon

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    Nice idea....I like it. The first thing to enter my mind when I saw the first prototype was that I preferred the larger wheels.

    As far as the niche market thing goes, so what? I think it's a pretty good sized niche. There are a lot of older riders, myself included, who would like to combine their love of riding with camping...but need something more than a sleeping bag & pad between them and the ground. The ability to carry hunting or fishing gear is a serious plus for many of us also. I see Spud as a good way for many to get back to outdoor activities that they had given up.

    Good idea and good luck with bringing it to market.

    Best........John
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  19. kromagnum

    kromagnum Don't call I'm ridin

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    Parking that thing out in the open would be a magnet for bears and racoons. Better have a solid food locker, and gun box.
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  20. PapaYolk

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    "I made it to to Dixie Town and beyond before dark. I camped among the trunks of tall timber reaching for light from a steep valley. Two cluttered hunter camps sided the dirt road. I pulled along a far table within a stone's throw of the privy making the third leg of a good defensive triangle. If a bear became covetous of my pork splattered galley a cross fire might aid my distress." ... "Light with a center of gravity lower than a set of truck nuts. The deep-cell is slung down between the half-axles and the gun locker is right over the running gear." -- this thread :D
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