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Discussion in 'Racing' started by larryboy, Dec 9, 2012.
I thought it was pretty funny.
Get ready for another classic RRRubby Gordon lawsuit. Renault already owns the name Gordini.
No probs... it's spelt Gordeenie... you know, rhymes with weenie...
seems to handle jumps and sweepers good but where are they making room for the navigator...
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^^^ see, here's the interesting thing (for those that are even a bit ofay with the FIA technical regs)
In his French close up press conf5erence at the ASO/Dakar soireé last week, the Great Gordeenie states that he will be running in the FIA T1 category (same class as the MINI's and Hilux's) but in a 2WD configuration.... NOT in the T3/SCORE eligible category (as he has prevuiously run the Hummer).
Now if you also picked up the confusion in the interviewers voice (RG had to clarify it for her a couple of times) - this is because traditionally the T1 class (Modified Terrain vehicles) is the bastion of 4wd/SUV type cars. Some thing interestin to note is that the T1 spec's now make mention of 2WD vehicles.
So that Rg will now be running a FIA spec/2WD configuration in a head to head against the likes of Peterhansel and de Villiers is interesting... but for the techno geeks out there, it means three key issues;
Body work; must be derived from and identifiable as an homolgated production unit.
Engine; must be from an FIA homologated (Group N Rally, GT Racing or T1 Terrain) vehicle of minimum 2500 production units.
Wheel diameter limitations and wheel travel restrictions.
So; for all the "clued in" folk over at race dezert etc. who have been speculating over the specification of the new HST Dakar racer, this means some (not quiote SCORE racing) norms that must be taken into consideration.
A: The bodywork is not (as per FIA reg) to be merely a glass "flopper" f body panels over a tube frame chassis... the original bulkheads, door pillars/arches etc. (although may be replicated in carbon fiber) are contingent to the "homologated" chassis. So to be eligible for T1 one cannot merely put a "glass body" of a 8for example Chevy Silverado) over a tube frame - a la' trophy truck. it's a bit more complicated than so.
B: Engine homologated by FIA. as I understand it the corvette LS3 thru / generation engines are FIA GT racing homolgated, and so it seem a power plant of US V8 configuration is a given... which restrictor is applicable is somewhere between 37,5 mm and 39 mm - depending on which way up you hold the rule book.
C. Wheels and suspension... to run in FIA T1 (2WD) the vehicle is limited to maximum 940mm wheel diameter - same diameter/patter front/rear AND only the one type tread pattern/design approved for the whole rally (ie. no mud pattern, gravel pattern and desert pattern variations as once was permitted). as far as wheel travel goes... 300 mm open to closed - including bumpstop - is all she wrote.
So on the merit of item C. alone, it seems (to me) extremely unlikely that the eventual "Dakar Gordeenie" will display anything like the wheeltravel/tyre dimension and aerial capabilities of the SST test mule that is depicted in the video above.
What RG has done to adress the bodywork/chassis and engine homologation aspects to be eligible for the T1 (2WD) category will be interesting...?
I suspect that the "Gordeenie" will be one of the most eagerly anticipated, closely watched and thoroughly scrutinized /(by both FIA and the rival manufacturers R&D) of all the vehicles at tech inspection for dakar this year.
Man this guy is good for keeping the interest up... always some controversy in the wings. I'm sure he has some trick up his sleeve.
It would be nice if he came up with a ''modified'' Mini
Does anyone have the sticker in mind, which one Robby attached on his Hummer,- i don't remember the words ....
Sounds like these regs have been changed..........
Yep... Darren is right.
The FIA T1 2WD wheel diameter is allowed max 940 mm (37" = 939.8 mm), though I was under the impression that some SCORE TT's and Class 1 buggies run bigger? I was not sure what spec the SST was... but 37 inch is legit for dakar 2014... The tyres do have to be standar production models though, from the manufacturer catalogue.
As far as suspension travel goes... the still limit the 4WD's in T1 to 300 mm (banjo rear) and 250 mm independant... but (previos) mention of 2WD limitation (as was before in T3 2WD is now gone.
As far as the bodywork is concerned, the reference (as was previously the case) for T1 bodywork to respect the homologated series production vehicle* (T2) is no longer enforced.
(Previously even the Mini's, Toyota's, Volkswagens etc. had to respect a certain +/- tolerance with respect to wheel arches, body panels etc, and the standard vehicle) but no longer it seems?
So in T1 2WD now, as long as RG´s (presumeably?) corvette motor im the HST Goreenie complies to the FIA GT homologation (LS7 generation?) papers; he can build an unlimited wheel travel, 37" tyre V8 "mini trophy truck" with a front/mid engine, 6 speed sequential, banjo rear end (or independant if he likes?) Dakar special to take the fight to the X-raid crew and Saffer Tojo's. :huh
If he can't win with this formula... he should give up! :eek1
It all smacks of Schlesser anno 1999/2000 and all the technical 2WD "concessions" he lobbied for over a number of years to be "competitive" with the Mitsubishi T1's. Finally with the bag of tricks, RG should be able to build a Dakar winner.
The only down side to the formula... there is only ONE HST Gordeenie car in the race (against the flotilla of MINI's and Toyota's).
The plus side to the formula... there is only ONE HST Gordeenie car in the race... RG can focus on winning (no customer/rental racer in the works to worry about) and take the david vs Goliath (in Miniskirts ) fight to the opposition!
Man this guy is good for keeping the interest up...
when do we get to see the new car/truck ??
The following pictures are "sneek peeks" that RG "leaked on the planet.robby website of the new HST rear body cowling:
Now if you put this rear cowling onto the previously "leaked" photos of the Gordon HST "Test mule":
Then that's about as close as I can come up with, to having a composite photo of what it might end up looking like?
New picture up on planet robby , the more I look the more I see a land rover
My Guess is a Durango
That would be interesting. El Martillo Racing has a Durango as well but, it's tail looks different.
thought that tail light looked really familiar
but it can't be, perhaps just easy to source parts
Which tail light?
the tail light in Torks post, the one seen in sneak peak 3
Ah. Missed that one.
I've been looking at the photos that are being "leaked out" on his website. Is the rig finished or still being built? Whens the latest that it can be shipped to South America to start the race? I'd think its getting pretty tight.