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Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by pointerDixie214, Apr 18, 2017 at 8:46 PM.
No idea how that works into the convo. But good on ya
I'll keep this bike forever. Its a 2012 CVO Streetglide with matching tour pak. Did a little engine work, dyno's at 125 squared. The newer baggers have the turn signal switch on the left only, both are good. I'm not sure why other companies haven't adopted self canceling turn signals. The day this picture was taken I rode 1526 miles in 23.5 hrs. Corbin seat was great.
Seriously - I may become famous for starting the harley thread that breaks the record for most posts before it de-rails.
So now I have my sights set on riding a V-Rod. They seem like one of the more financially accessible HDs, and they look freaking amazing.
Have a GS now as well as an air cooled multi.
Went by the HD store to get parts for a Buell I had and test drove some glides, Street, Electro and Road. Liked the look of the street glide the best but the electroglide would probably be a more sane choice.
I like to travel by bike and I could see my self driving one of these around the states.
Would still keep the GS though.
I'm normally a adv oriented adv bike owner. KLR. Triumph Tiger. KRS. An RT in the stable currently. I 've ridden Harleys at test ride events...a whole bunch of times. Nothing against them. They feel good for what they are. I'm just never paying the premium they seem to get. It is the same reason I won't use Apple over Windows. There are some nice things etc...but you just get so much less bang for the buck...outside of the ethereal "it's a Harley" which in itself is less of a draw for me all by itself. I just tend to judge a motorcycle by is objective measurable characteristics and am willing to look at a Harley along with anything else...but have never bought one after final evaluation including cost.
But to get back to the question and why I'm-really answering: as to cruisers I got a point where I wanted to try something with a lower seat...literally so I didn't have to practice karate to be able to throw my leg over. Long story short, I ended up buying my first cruiser...a Yamaha Warrior...and in a few months it has become one of the most favorite bikes I've ever owned. The RT is still in the garage but for anything local I reach for the Warrior. It handles incredibly, it's got crazy torque, is a beautiful bike in my opinion, yet I don't need to tuck my feet up under my behind like a horse jockey...and I can basically walk over the bike to mount. Oh and all this for $4500...an '06 with 6000 miles. To go as fast, handle and look as good on a Harley you'd be at several 10's of K.
So anyhow I've REALLY connected to this bike where I never really would have thought I'd ever buy a cruiser. I do 100% agree everyone should try everything.
There are 35 Superglides within 100 miles of me on Craigslist that range from $5500-9000. 04's-06's usually go for under $6500. They're not as expensive as people seem to think. Sure...they only have 70hp but if you can't have fun yanking the loud handle on something with 80ft/lbs of torque there's something wrong with you. I've ridden with an old guy riding a T-Sport who could really hustle. That model wasn't sold long and the fairing is ugly but with a smooth, confident rider it was amazing how fast it was on a back road. The Warrior is a good looking bike. The Thunderbird and Suzuki 109 are monsters. There are several other cruisers that sell well and that people love. Secondhand Harley's have never been so inexpensive. Whether you're looking at Road Kings, Sportsters or Superglides, the price premium over other brands has diminished.
Damn. That came out CLEAN. Nice work man.
Former Harley basher here...
I prefer 'standards' so cruisers/baggers aren't on my radar. The only bikes I even glance at from H-D and Victory are the Sportster and Scout respectively. I think both of them look cool as hell. I've sat on numerous bikes at shows in the past couple of years and all the bigger Harleys just don't feel right for me.
Last year I signed up for a weekend tour with Retro Tours. I wanted to ride some weirdo old bikes and I certainly did...had a great time. You can read about it here: http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/retrotours-classic-bike-sampler.1157145/
I was disappointed to find one of them was a H-D something-or-other. I reluctantly took my turn on what is called a XLCR:
Like the OP stated, I sort of 'get it' now. The engine makes cool sounds, has the kind of power delivery I like, handled far better than I would ever have imagined and even made me smile. Except on rough roads; good golly does the no-travel rear suspension on that thing suck! Fuel mileage also wasn't stellar. Everything about the bike felt 'substantial' and inspired confidence that it would always get you home.
While it didn't convince me that I should own one it did change my thinking about the brand and I wouldn't mind going to a test ride event to try a few others.
son of a bitch, that bike is sort of the holy grail of modern Harley's, the first that Willie G. had design control over. I had no interest in Harley's either but in college the Yamaha dealer that I bought parts from also was a Harley dealer (pre-bubble they could do that, the corporate theme park stuff was a long way off). And sitting forlorn in a corner was the coolest bike I had ever seen: the XLCR. They didn't sell well, we're not exactly bleeding edge, hell, they didn't even have an oil filter as I recall but they were the pure expression of a good idea: a true cafe bike. I wanted that bike so bad I made up excuses to go visit it but my RD cost something like $600, the XLCR more like 3 grand which to a college kid at the time might as well have been the national debt. I can't believe a tour company has one of those in the stable, not a hell of a lot of them were made. I just may have to look those folks up...
Since the introduction of the new M 8 engines for '17, a lot of HD's have been traded for the '17's, (very nice BTW). Also lots of HD trades at Indian dealerships. My suggestion would be to look for a '14 model year and later, (Rushmore Models), big difference.
I bought a brand new '13 RK, enjoyed it, but it still exhibited, to me at least, all the things that personified my minds eye of what a HD is. Traded it for one of the new Rushmore models, a '14 Road King. Night and day difference, it actually now handled and had decent power. Eliminated the heat problem by removing the Cat, kept the stock headers and cans and hade the ECU reflashed by Power Vision, ran even better, much cooler, smooth as glass cruising at 90, still 40+ MPG. A completely modern version of Elvis's old 50's era Duo Glide but 100% modern in brakes, handling, ease of maintenance and even performance.
Back when I owned San Jose BMW thru ought the 70's, took in 5 or so HD's and only hi quality trades. I could never understand how someone could ride, much less buy one, absolutely no power or brakes and handling.........completely non existent, with out exception complete POS's. My '14 Road King, a thoroughly modern motorcycle while still maintaining bucket loads of soul and the classic looks, actually a nice motorcycle. The new '17 M8's are an equally impressive advance over the Rushmore's.
Love the way the motor tries to jump out of the frame when idling but turns to glass as soon as you take off. Also loved my ride on the Indian Springfield the other day. Polaris has done a good job with the Indian.
After this thread and the Verys X 300 thread, I finally get the duality of torque and horsepower.
And why I'm pro torque. And why I'd prefer more torque to horse power in a engine. The new Truimph Street Twin comes to mind.
I like roll on acceleration without having to down shift a couple of gears to get the rpms to the max horsepower spot.
I like to get good fuel economy. I think this is best possible by keeping the rpms low. Most torque is found here. Sometimes not.
I do not drag race.
I liked how the STAR Bolt felt when crusing around. You can feel the engine.
Horse Power is fun some of the time, Torque is fun all of the time.
Chatted with a co-worker on Harleys for a little bit. He's 70 and has been riding HDs since he was a kid. He's 6'6' and probably 260. Big guy. I'm 6'4" and 200 so I asked if he fits on a Sportster and he laughed. Dyna seems to what I'd have to end up getting. Sucks because the 883s aren't actually all that expensive.
Laconia is having a demo day on Sunday. Couple of my Harley friends are going and said I should tag along. I'll see what the hub-bub is all about I suppose.
tank mounted gauges? only a problem if you have to look at them while underway. once you learn the feel of the bike, you always know how fast you're going by the engine speed/feel and the gear you're in.
After the MV Agusta and Buell fails, I don't expect Harley to offer anything other than cruisers.
If you are totally convinced, then why not. If not, maybe renting one for a week or two a year two scratch that recurring itch might be the smarter choice. Mighty expensive bikes when after a few months you gravitate back towards your regular kinda bike. (they seem to hold their value well, so there's that)
I've got nothing against cruisers. Might own one some day but only when I'm a lot older. Also, I put them all on equal footing. Not being American, HD doesn't have that illustrious ("ethereal" as was said above) reputation to set them apart from the other ones as being ultra special or something. I'll just as gladly ride a triumph thunderbird (maybe even more so) than a HD. If I get into cruisers, that's probably where I'll start. Great engine, great chassis for a cruiser, understated, and fair price.
Harleys to me are just too expensive for what they are. (opinion) Also, at 6'4" most are rather cramped... To each their own
True, and true also with pretty much any bike. But with the big Harleys the warning lights and turn signal light are down there too, making it equally hard to actually see them.
I like the esthetics of having the gauge in the tank. But the effectiveness isn't nearly as good.
And then there's the light reflection from the chrome on the tank either into my eyes or onto the wind screen. That can be highly entertaining at certain times of the day when riding in the wrong direction.
I've considered a magnetic blackout cloth for the occassionally blinding chrome, and a duplicate set of lights up on the wind screen or handlebar mount cover. I'll probably never do either.
So you like the pre Buell Buell !!! That bike in the hilly/mountain roads is a blast I have some but not much time on one but the one I rode had a S&S E carb and progressive R/shocks big fun. !! When the 77/78 XLCR arrived 2 things. Harley riders at the time were WTF was Willy G tripn'!!
Also it was a turd in the "Café" bikes of the same period. BMW R90S &100S, Guzzi LeMans, Z1, GS1000,and a few others. Highly collectable now!! The oil filter is a drop-in cartridge in the oil-bag
I've never gotten the Harley hate, but I was never particularly fond of them. Except Sportsters. Sporty's always made sense to me.
A year or two ago I was doing a job for a guy who had a mid-late 70's Ironhead that I bought for cheap. I stripped the bike, powdercoated the frame, painted the tins/engine and tossed on a fresh chain and carb kit. Sold that bike for $2k and more than doubled my money in a week's time. After getting the bike all back together I took it for a test ride and really liked that bike. I'm 6'3"-225lbs. It was comfortable and the motor was very strong. The clutch was abysmal, but it probably just needed some love. I'd only ridden inline fours before and the narrowness of that bike was extremely nice. I think it's the reason I'm on a single now. It held it's weight well imo.
I picked up another Ironhead for my own ( 1000cc, right side shift...I forget the year) that is patiently waiting it's turn to get up on the bike lift. It will be a standard bike with a handbuilt frame. Very much looking forward to that. It might even get cut in line ahead of the CB 1100F.
Lots of my family had owned, or still owns, big twins... but they're not for me. I really like the early Ironhead engines. I can understand why people look down on Harley's in general, but I'll never understand why the Harley loyal laugh at their own Sporty's. "Skirtsters...Lady's bike..."... whatever.
And nobody has paint on the showroom floor as nice as Harley does. It's too bad their engine fasteners seem to rust immediately, though. I've seen bikes on the the dealers floor with rusty bolts. There's no sense in that.